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he book how minds change talks about how people change their mind. I haven't finished it yet, but it talks about some fringe groups like flat earthers and such.
It does mention that one of the ways people change their mind is horrible trauma
Like, usually facts and figures don't do anything. Belief is social. Your beliefs will hinge a lot on your social groups. But if your whole life is shaken to the foundations, that can also loosen you up enough to reevaluate.
So, beating the shit out of a Nazi does have a chance of making them change their mind about being one.
Sounds like an excuse to be violent. No better than a Nazi in my view. They also come up with excuses for using violence for "the good of the nation".
Then your view is stupid. Like, "the aggressor is just as guilty as the victim" tier stupid.
When you go around breaking people's arms at random intervals where you are your own judge and jury over a system you made up with no scientific basis, just with flimsy reasons sewn together, by intentionally giving people severe trauma (pretending that any psychistrist would not be totally horrified at thid BS)... you BECOME an aggressor. You are no better than the police. No more effective. Not s day closer to your goal.
Also trauma can often cause the exact opposite. Who allows you to take this risk for all of us in society? To go give a radicalized person more reason and fuel to be radicalized? So for every Nazi you "beat into becoming decent" (an impossible and demanding righteous power-trip fantasy), the next might be the next masshooter thanks to your arm breaking trauma. And you'll have your Pikachu mouth all open when they go around shooting everyone with a single arm.
You system is inconsistent, unscientific, and really wish washy.
Not much better than the average corrupt police.
First off, it's impossible for me to be on the same level as the corrupt police because I don't have the institutional support that they do. That you don't understand that is pretty damning.
Second, it's not at random intervals. It's predicated on Nazis. Literal "let's do genocide" Nazis. It's not wishy washy. It's "we should beat up Nazis before they organize and do nazi stuff"
Your "oh they might respond by doing worse " fear is silly. Butterfly flaps it's wings tier better not do anything because it could set something bad in motion. Tell you what, if you don't do anything about the Nazis eventually there will definitely be death.
So you think thay my "fear" is silly even though we have a good picture of how trauma affects individuals, and somehow it is akin to doing nothing according to your analysis (has it occured to you there are non violent ways to counter neoNazis?)...
but you also think your random knee cap busting is fine, mature, and heroic?
We have to agree to disagree then.