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[ā€“] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do you think Iā€™m wrong?

I mean, I think you and I feel very similarly. We are disillusioned, angry, we feel hopeless. Iā€™m not 100% in favor of my strategy. Because it means supporting someone I donā€™t actually support. But, having weighed the pros and cons, I just feel like there is so much to lose for vulnerable communities. And, on the whole, I feel most peoplesā€™ true intentions in advocating for this are ultimately selfish. Iā€™m not saying that is your motivation at all. You could very much be an idealist. But as a fellow idealist feeling the need to give into my realism as I get older, I find its best to sacrifice yourself and your own sense of idealistic purity for othersā€”again, Iā€™m not saying youā€™re doing the opposite. Itā€™s a super complicated and shitty lose-lose scenario.

I think I see this news article a little differently than you doā€¦

I agree that not all third party votes would otherwise be votes for Biden. But itā€™s been proven over and over and has been a Republican strategy for a long time to suppress turnout. Because they arenā€™t popular. Their ideas are terrible and no one actually likes them. Their supporters are just angry and want to hurt others.

So my thinking is, if itā€™s a Republican strategy to push third party candidates, and itā€™s the third party candidatesā€™ campaignsā€™ position that they are the only hope to defeat a vote against the fascistā€¦I meanā€¦theyā€™re not like you and me basing our opinions mostly on rough approximations. They are looking at data that shows how this changes things. There are few things I trust republicans and antivax nutjobs on, but this subject is one of themā€”probably the only one.

Doesnā€™t this with us or against us rhetoric feel odd to you?

I get where youā€™re coming from. But thatā€™s not the way I look at my position at all. If I were a democrat pushing this type of thinking with the motive of getting more votes for my preferred candidate, yeah, thatā€™d be my problematic position.

But Iā€™m a leftist that has gone back and forth on this issue and debated it in my head for more than half of my life. I get what youā€™re saying, and sometimes I feel exactly how you feel.

Itā€™s justā€¦a complicated issue and we are both looking at the same thing, seeing the same issues, and coming up with different answers. Literally, after your post I was thinking to myself, ā€œwellā€¦Iā€™m in NY. Iā€¦could probably do this.ā€ But after 2016, I felt so much guilt, for the first time in my life, for voting third party. And that threw my entire view on the subject into doubt.

I dunno. I donā€™t have the answer. And apologies if I seemed to have assumed you were a cishet white guy. Theyā€™re just usually the most likely to throw everyone elseā€™s caution to the wind to advocate for their own ideas. Not that thatā€™s what you were doing. Just that they always feel the most comfortable in being reckless with othersā€™ safety and well-being.

[ā€“] LazyPhilosopher 2 points 7 months ago

No need to apologize for the bit at the end stranger. šŸ™‚

You're a good dudešŸ‘ˆšŸ˜Ž

You've given me some things to think about. Again I appreciate your input and your knowledge and your kindness.