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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, fuck the other 70% of energy from renewables you lose when converting to hydrogen

[–] Opisek 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

At the moment it's either that or manufacturing huge batteries.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 3 points 7 months ago

No. You can manufacture lots of small batteries too. And invest in different battery technologies.

[–] Oddbin 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why is it either/or? That feels like a purposeful false equivalence.

[–] 3volver 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How else do you propose storing energy?

[–] Oddbin 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Smaller batteries for load shaving. Smaller batteries for home and businesses to self store. Hydro. Gravity. Thermal.

And that's just looking at the most basic swap out. The whole point of the energy transition is to also make everything better. Continent wide energy grids need to happen ie. Wind in Norway, solar in Morocco and a grid between etc. local generation by solar or wind also has a huge part to play. Geothermal is getting much better with lower temperature or harder to reach heat sources too, see Eden Project in Cornwall.

I don't want to come too aggressively at you here but I see this kind of "attitude" a lot in these conversations and it's always struck me as very insincere.

If you haven't already have a watch of the Everything Electric videos on YouTube for good views on how wide this whole thing is going to have to be.

[–] Opisek 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The original post refers to a Tweet made by BP. They supply cars. Good luck putting thermal or gravity energy storing in cars.

[–] Oddbin 0 points 7 months ago

They supply energy as they claim. Oil, diesel and petrol to name a few. They all have uses outside of moving cars, not sure if you know that.

If we're sticking to what OP said then You're still wrong about huge batteries as they only need to be sized for the role of the vehicle and very very very few need to do 300 miles in one go but I won't bother continuing because I don't think you're open to discuss but more of a bad faith actor.