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The Biden administration is close to approving the sale of as many as 50 American-made F-15 fighter jets to Israel, in a deal expected to be worth more than $18 billion, according to three people familiar with the matter.

The transaction, which would amount to the largest US foreign military sale to Israel since the country went to war with Hamas on October 7, comes as the administration is also expected to notify Congress soon of a large new sale of precision-guided munitions kits to Israel, the people said.

The new sales of some of the US’ most sophisticated weaponry underscore the extent to which the US continues to support Israel militarily, even as Biden administration officials criticize Israel’s operations in Gaza, which have killed more than 32,000 Palestinians since October, according to the Gaza ministry of health.

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[–] Garbanzo 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nah, thoughts and prayers should be plenty. Maybe they wouldn't need an iron dome if they weren't constantly being insufferable belligerents.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I’m still gonna have to go with supplying defensive weapons.

If nothing else there are children there.

[–] Garbanzo 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They should have considered the children before they went all in on bombing and starving other people's kids

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So you are ok with children dying as long as they are the “right” children?

I’m going to have to ask you to really think about that view.

[–] Garbanzo 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If I make horrible decisions my kid will suffer the consequences. That's why I don't go around doing horrific crimes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Garbanzo 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm OK with children dying as long as they aren't my children. Is that what you want to hear? Israel doesn't get to murder thousands of children and then hide behind their own. Fuck off.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No you can freely fuck yourself though.

Kids are kids, they are subjected to adults whims.

You are a bad person if you are ok with the killing of any children.

Congratulations you’ve become what you seek to destroy.

You should take a long look at yourself.

Have the day you deserve

[–] Garbanzo 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There's a reason war crimes are a thing. Most of humanity is on board with not targeting civilians, especially children; along with fair treatment of prisoners and not using indiscriminate weapons, because they hope their enemies will afford them the same mercy. When you violate those rules you place your entire country in grave danger. Israel knows this, but they act with impunity thinking they're untouchable. If it turns out that they can't defend themselves then it's their mistake and the results are natural and expected. It's tragic, but it's not unjustified.

Also, you don't get to win an argument on the internet by dismissing the person you're arguing with. Good afternoon.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I’m not dismissing you, I just don’t see how two completely viewpoints can be combined.

You are under the impression that because Israel is killing children we should allow the same.

We should not.

It’s no different than Israel saying that they can kill Palestinian children and it is ok.

I reject all viewpoints that think it is ok to kill children.

Especially the viewpoint that we should lower ourselves to terroristic standards.

Isn’t that the exact reason we are against Israel right now?

Why is it ok just because the targets are different.

Our principles are the things we do even when no one is looking.

My principle is that it is NEVER ok to kill children.

What is yours?

[–] Garbanzo 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My position is that I'm under no obligation to supply weapons to genocidal regimes, including defensive weapons, no matter how many of their children might suffer as a result. If we withdraw all aid then maybe they'd be forced to repurpose their offensive weapons to avoid the inevitable shit storm they've brought upon themselves. If you're so concerned about the children there are solutions that don't involve perpetuating the ability of the state to commit mass murder.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure they can’t just repurpose, random offensive missiles, integrate with that kind of defensive system, the same way, they can’t repurpose iron dome missiles to be integrated with their offensive systems

Maybe I am wrong.

[–] Garbanzo 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Missiles may not be fungible, but cash is. Supplying defensive weapons frees up budget for offensive weapons. No support for a genocidal regime is ethical.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We don’t give them to them for free, I mean we do because we give them 3 billion or $13 billion a year and they had to spend most of it buying American weapons and only a little bit buying Israeli weapons, selling them iron dome missiles isn’t freeing up any money in their budget

[–] Garbanzo 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I hope you can think about what you just said and realize how ridiculous you sound right now

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I’m all for stopping the money that goes to them.