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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending Sunday 7 April 2024 (awful.systems)
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Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post, there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Esperanto-pushing F-droid forum poster goes ballistic when maintainer explains the language can't be added:

Why you simple don’t start learning Esperanto? Why should the whole world learn your stupid and illogical* language? Is F-Droid project international or only for english people?

(via this 404 media post)

I honestly did not know there were axe-crazy Esperanto fans online.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I honestly did not know there were axe-crazy Esperanto fans online.

Oh, there are always those.

These kind of speakers can be found also offline. It's funny they are the result on one hand of the fondness to our little language and the reactions towards it by speakers of other languages. Esperanto gets a shitload of bad reputation and the resistance to it then creates such personalities.

In some sense they rightfully act like they act.

Funny that this thread re-appeared during the xz "scandal". I had a little bit of fun regarding it, when it initially appeared in the f-droid forum.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I mean I shouldn't be surprised really. I'm more surprised it took me so long to realize they were around. If nothing else Esperanto seems to have been losing mindshare to other conlangs like Toki Pona.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

klingon still the all time fave

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't know if it really is losing mindshare. Toki Pona is really popular among a very loud minority.

On one hand these people just may be learning it, because it's an interesting conlang, nothing against that. Learn whatever language you like.

Then the loud part of the Toki Pona community learn it partially because they think it's morally superior to other eurocentric conlangs like Esperanto. And those will eagerly say to you, that Toki Pona is the best language ever. So maybe is the perception that Esperanto is losing mindshare, because of Toki Pona, just a result of working propaganda by that very loud minority.

Esperanto is also in general not a very popular language, as its normally compared to English for its audacity to become a lingua franca. Still, to my knowledge it's still the largest constructed language community. Toki Pona or other languages need to get to that level of sophistication which Esperanto already aquired during 136 years of its existence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I could barely learn a 3rd language (French) so the idea of trying to learn one more is daunting, even if Esperanto is designed to be easy to learn.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

so the idea of trying to learn one more is daunting, even if Esperanto is designed to be easy to learn.

Even that would people contest. For me it was easier to learn and I think there things in the language, which make it easier to learn. BUT that idea that it's truly universal "easier" is often criticized and doubted. Which leaves me with a disappointing "maybe" with a slight tilt to "it's easier", so "maybe it's easier?".

I could barely learn a 3rd language (French) so the idea

If we keep in the idea set of how Esperanto came about, then the idea was to learn two to three languages and be a world citizen afterwards. Two languages, because that would be your mother tongue and Esperanto and for three languages that would be your mother tongue, the language of your region like for cultural heritage reasons and Esperanto to be a world citizen.

I learnt Esperanto after i learnt English in school. It's my third language and I belong to those who got afterwards more confident, that I could acquire another language by myself. So for some people it's easier to learn and it brings them then the confidence, that when they find motivation to learn a specific new language, that they could do that.

I myself am still stuck with three languages, because I did not had a strong motivation to learn an additional language. There are too much languages and there are too much conflicting incentives to learn one over another. Wanna understand China? Learn Mandarin! Learn one of the other big languages in the world for financial progress! Then learn Spanish! Be supportive of the deaf community! Then learn one of the many dialects of sign language!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

that 404 media link is gonna be so handy to keep in my back pocket for when the worst people I know in open source inevitably start pushing back against the idea that the toxic ecosystems they created are a gigantic source of problems