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Dota 2 Bali Major: BetBoom get default loss vs Tundra after Pure caught stream-sniping
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this post was submitted on 06 Jul 2023
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Personally, I think the response by many spectators have has been unnecessarily toxic and double-standard at best, and inflammatory, discriminatory and intentionally career-ending at worst.
No doubt what he did was astoundingly silly, but until it has been proven that he was intentionally using another stream to cheat during that g2, branding him a cheater is just not right.
What makes this worse is that people are conflating his previous action with his Z drawing with this, as if this makes him more guilty of cheating, or that it's alright for everyone to rag on him now, even if this time around it may just be an honest mistake.
We know that there are consequences in leaping to conclusions without verified information, from the situation with Taiga to the mess with the T2 NA DPC. I think the state of professional dota only stands to lose if the spectators don't stop this mindset of vigilante justice and crucifying dota figures before they even get a chance to prove themselves innocent.
I wonder if the response to this by the dota audience (and maybe even the players on Azure Ray) would be any different if this incident had happened to anyone other than Pure.
Totally agree, his previous support for the Russian invasion doesn't make him more guilty of cheating.
However just for that he totally deserves to get all the hate he's getting. I don't understand how this player is still allowed to compete. Should have gotten a lifetime ban from all event organizers imo.
Another very personal and maybe uninformed opinion is that I think he was a very stupid and immature kid when the previous incident happened and barely any different now, but with both cases I feel like there's no malice involved - Hanlon's razor.
Pinning responsibility on Valve seems like the easiest thing to do, but I think they should be the ones deciding if he should be allowed to play in pro tournaments - organizers differ in their rules books and stances but the common denominator is that they're playing Valve's game.
There's a lack of consistency in the principles behind many of the things said and actions made by TOs, teams, players and spectators, and I may be asking too much here - iTs JuSt A gAmE - but it'd do so much good for the image and reputation of everyone involved if a decent amount of effort were put into running things professionally and consistently.
I think that the decision to not give a lifetime ban was correct because it would set a double standard. What about mind_control who explicitly said that Hitler should have killed the Russian population? I realise this example was not in an official match but in my opinion is 10x worse. Also, Pure's incident I believe can be placed into the category of 'edgy meme' (and one being assumedly a whole lot more normalised from the country he is from and media he consumes). Anyway the bottom line is that I think a lifetime ban should not be received for stupidity.
The cheating judgement came straight from the tournement organisers just parroted by spectators. I feel this is a correct decision, but the fact he was even allowed to do it in the first place should be a mitigating factor. When doing exams on conputers you get blocked from accessing what you shouldn't so why the TO didn't do something similar is questionable.
Agreed on your second point - how did these things happen in an international tournament involving large amounts of prize money in the first place? And was this something that other TOs had successfully prevented, that the current one dropped the ball on? Or was this always a security and integrity lapse that existed and that we've only just spotted, which would imply the possibility of this happening in previous tournaments or even the DPC without being detected? They can't ALL be THAT incompetent, right...?
About the penalty that BB received, I'd be fine with it if it didn't seem like it was pulled out from thin air, but it does so it irks me a little. Again, just a lack of prep that makes the officials look incompetent, and really doesn't inspire confidence in the state of future tournaments.