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[–] scaryboat 80 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For most Americans, there is no alternative for a car. The tram lines we used 60 years ago were bought and torn up by car manufacturers. We need grocery stores within walking distance, and transit lines to useful places before people will give up their cars.

[–] torres 25 points 1 year ago

One relatively recent and quite expensive alternative would be electric cars. But I don't really see that as a real, permanent solution, for that you would need a good railway/tram system, which sadly isn't all that common all around the world

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but this article is about Sweden.

[–] zeppo 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have grocery stores within walking distance, but even taking a dolly it’s a hell of a lot of work carrying back a bunch of groceries. Plus the way the roads are constructed I risk my life every time I cross the street. Young and fit people should walk to the store but it’s not practical for everyone.

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe not everyone, but that's pretty much the only way it's done for most denizens of New York City, young and old.

[–] zeppo 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That makes sense. I feel like probably NYC is constructed better in terms of walkability and public transportation. I live in semi-suburban Denver. There are 7-8 small grocery stores and 2 wholesale food warehouses about a mile from my house, primarily Asian and Central American markets, which is a lot, so it's feasible for me to walk. 3-4 liquor stores, a couple weed shops and a few convenience stores. For many other areas of the city it wouldn't be as reasonable to live without a car, though probably one could take the bus or light rail. The problem is just walking to a bus stop is about half a mile so it wouldn't help that much. I could use an Uber or Lyft, but it would be expensive unless I just went to the store once every 2 weeks.

I'm reasonably fit, in my 40s, but things like "I'll carry back 4 12 packs of Diet Pepsi from the store for my girlfriend" leaves me feeling pretty worn out. Taking a dolly or cart helps but I'm the only person around here I ever see doing that.... not that I mind. I suppose I could do grocery delivery.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Grocery delivery is a good stop gap, but you'd need all the various grocery stores to be on board. Municipal and state governments could literally subsidize the costs of maintenance and fueling delivery vehicles to incentivize this method, and even offer rebates for customers who participate, but nah that's all too hard and will eat at the bottom line so let the world burn I guess.