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[โ€“] TheGrandNagus 57 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (27 children)

Usually I'm extremely sympathetic of Brexit woes considering the slim majority, lying Leave campaign, and considering the vote happened immediately after the EU refugee crisis where anti-EU sentiment was at a high all over the union.

I also usually remind the people that call for blood that, at the time, countries like France, Italy, Czechia, Austria, the Netherlands, Greece, and others had the same level or higher anti-EU sentiment. That people are lucky only the UK's leadership was stupid enough to allow the vote to happen when it did, and that the UK's population aren't any more guilty or deserving of punishment than a slew of other European populations.

But UK farmers? Nah. These people are business owners who should be expected to do their research. These people should've known that cutting ties with the strictest food market on Earth and opening the floodgates to food from elsewhere would damage their business. They voted for Brexit overwhelmingly. I have much less sympathy for these people.

The positive is that the Tories are heading for an electoral catastrophe. And farmers hold immense sway for the Tories in a way they don't with Labour.

[โ€“] CAVOK 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A poll from 2023 puts anti-EU sentiment in France (ie. Leave) at 26%. Not great, but obviously not very high. And I think a "remain" camp in France would have learned a few things from brexit.

[โ€“] TheGrandNagus 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm talking about at the time. I.e. around the time of the EU refugee crisis. 2023 polling has no bearing on ~2015 polling.

Of course it's higher now, the same is true everywhere in the EU I'd expect, as well as in the UK. Brexit has been a a massive bit of positive PR for the EU, and Euroscepticism has dropped considerably since.

[โ€“] CAVOK 5 points 10 months ago

Thanks for updating your post to make it clear that you were talking about anti EU sentiment at the time. That makes it clearer, and I agree with you.

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