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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Zeno's Paradox, even though it's pretty much resolved. If you fire an arrow at an apple, before it can get all the way there, it must get halfway there. But before it can get halfway there, it's gotta get a quarter of the way there. But before it can get a fourth of the way, it's gotta get an eighth... etc, etc. The arrow never runs out of new subdivisions it must cross. Therefore motion is actually impossible QED lol.

Obviously motion is possible, but it's neat to see what ways people intuitively try to counter this, because it's not super obvious. The tortoise race one is better but seemed more tedious to try and get across.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So the resolution lies in the secret that a decreasing trend up to infinity adds up to a finite value. This is well explained by Gabriel's horn area and volume paradox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZOi9HH5ueU

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If I remember my series analysis math classes correctly: technically, summing a decreasing trend up to infinity will give you a finite value if and only if the trend decreases faster than the function/curve x -> 1/x.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Great. Can you give me example of decreasing trend slower than that function curve?, where summation doesn't give finite value? A simple example please, I am not math scholar.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

So, for starters, any exponentiation "greater than 1" is a valid candidate, in the sense that 1/(n^2), 1/(n^3), etc will all give a finite sum over infinite values of n.

From that, inverting the exponentiation "rule" gives us the "simple" examples you are looking for: 1/√n, 1/√(√n), etc.

Knowing that √n = n^(1/2), and so that 1/√n can be written as 1/(n^(1/2)), might help make these examples more obvious.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hang on, that's not a decreasing trend. 1/√4 is not smaller, but larger than 1/4...?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

From 1/√3 to 1/√4 is less of a decrease than from 1/3 to 1/4, just as from 1/3 to 1/4 is less of a decrease than from 1/(3²) to 1/(4²).

The curve here is not mapping 1/4 -> 1/√4, but rather 4 -> 1/√4 (and 3 -> 1/√3, and so on).

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I had success talking about the tortoise one with imaginary time stamps.

I think it gets more understandable that this pseudo paradox just uses smaller and smaller steps for no real reason.
If you just go one second at a time you can clearly see exactly when the tortoise gets overtaken.

[–] mwproductions 3 points 6 months ago

Came to say the same thing. Zeno's paradoxes are fun. πŸ˜„

[–] Feathercrown 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The resolution I always use is that the time period you're looking at also shrinks. There's no real reason to keep looking at smaller and smaller periods of time, but even if you do, you can resolve it with an infinite sum that adds up to a finite value. Zeno was actually pretty close to figuring out a very useful mathematical property.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Zeno’s Paradox, even though it’s pretty much resolved

Lol. It pretty much just decreases the time span you look at so that you never get to the point in time the arrow reaches the apple. Nothing there to be "solved" IMHO