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There are no safe and sane riots. This is how rioting goes. I don’t take part in riots, but I understand that it is the language of the unheard (much in the same way that war is “diplomacy by other means,” rioting is what happens when protests don’t work).
There were no protests. No lawsuits, no nothing. Straight to violence.
And people here actually believe that it's good to hurt other people, as if that fixes the death of one person. Horrible in every way. Shameful and disgusting.
Do you have any idea how many people are killed by the police when they are unarmed? Here it was blatent murder, and if it wasn't for the video leaked on social media the cop would face absolutely no consequences.
Murderers place is in jail. When justice fail, the social contract is broken. When the social contract is broken, there is no peace or discussion.
Neither France nor the USA were built on peaceful protests. At some point, the idiot in charge has to understand how it goes.
Fewer than armed people killing other people when the police isn't there. If that ain't true then obviously the police should be disbanded. And since you haven't brought up any data, I will bring it, from the latest news. 15 incidents like that, in France, in the last year. And according to data I found for 2016, there were around 1500 total gun deaths (about 100 times more).
So yeah, I have an idea. Do you?
A person was killed. Whether it was murder or manslaughter, is not up to you to decide because you have no degree in law in France.
Ok, so the cop will face consequences now. Isn't that the goal? Why hurt other people that have nothing to do with it? Your reasoning is completely absent here.
Who is gonna carry out justice for all the assholes that hurt people in these riots? Shall we play the escalation game just to satisfy your weird revenge boner?
So your solution is to escalate violence endlessly. slow clap
You don't know history very well, do you? You're comparing authoritarian regimes with democratic ones now.
Your data is considering suicides... And a cop killing someone is also a murder, so it will go in the stats of people killed by gunshot.
So yes, cops are actually responsible for 15% of murders in France with guns. We can also say that cops kill more than terrorism.
If you're fine with this, there's no point discussing further.
I explicitly said that I'm all for justice. You are being dishonest with your last statement, which is an emotional reaction that is completely unnecessary. Cool down.
So if your sources are correct, then when comparing the organization that should have the monopoly on violence, to how much violence they enact, it's 15%,... it's kinda dumb, isn't it? It's dumb to expect the organization with the monopoly on violence to enact an order of magnitude less violence than the "competitors".
Man the monopoly of violence is certainly not the right to murder unarmed people! Do you realize what you're saying?!
When other people murder far more people, is the police just supposed to watch it happen?
Is there an end to your naive idealism?
That's not the question. Police stopping murderers doesn't mean police has to become murderers too. If I'm naive or idealistic, you're a fascist.
So how is the police supposed to stop murderers who threaten to murder them? Care to elaborate your ultimate wisdom?
Do you know there countries where the police is unarmed? It's called civilization.
So you know that there's places where you don't exist? It's called everywhere else, but unfortunately I'm stuck with a dishonest person who keeps on spewing fallacies.
This is like telling somebody who is abused to do nothing. If you can't leave you fight the abuser if you can, you destroy the things they enjoy if you can't.
And I'm sorry but if you own a business that survives by selling to the plunderers, you're part of why they want to take that money and time and why cops are shooting people.
We spent four years at war over the death of one man, and twenty years at war over the deaths of three thousand.
And this was not the first black person to be murdered in France by the police like this. The Parisians are responding to a pattern that has not been ended no matter how much they protest.
ok racist.
Pattern? What pattern? Do you have any public data to go with that statement, that shows a problem SO BIG with authorities that it justifies violence? In the last years, 15 people have been killed by police in such incidents. 8 police officers have been charged. Without knowing the details about the rest, how can you claim that it's a systemic problem? You know what a systemic problem looks like? More than 2000 people were killed BY cars in the same period. THAT's a systemic problem. For the scale of this problem however, peaceful protests calling for transparency in these cases, and other constructive demands, should be the reaction, and not this. This? This just shows that France is dealing with violence and gives many people the impression that it's OK if police sometimes kill such violent people. I literally had this conversation with the other side, who tried to convince me that the rioters should be shot or something. 17 year old broke the law driving the vehicle, and recklessly tried to speed away from this. The police officer over-reacted (cars do kill people quite a lot) and should be investigated for manslaughter, but what should not happen is this. Why is it so hard to see? Why are y'all so trigger happy? Maybe because it's not your house that was attacked and your family injured? Maybe because it's not your neighbourhood which got trashed and your business looted?
How is it racist to have relevant data, like the fact the cop was white or the kid being black.
You make it seem like the race matters in this incident. As if a black person killed is different from a pink person killed. You have preferential treatment of problems based on skin color. That is racist.
Well, the people of France seem to think its part of the issue.
And you derive this conclusion on .. what study or poll? Because there are instruments to measure that you know. It's called voting.
Or are you referring to a violent loud minority and saying that it's a majority?