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Anyone think that manual "pouring techniques" are mostly fluff? (sopuli.xyz)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/coffee

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If you search YouTube for V60 brewing videos and guides you'll find about three billion different ones. Some with agitation, some without; pouring fast, in the middle, making circles; 40-60 or 30-70 or whatnot.

I always think to myself that they're mostly just fluff.

It all depends on grind size and temperature. Doesn't matter how you pour (well, within limits I would think) as long as you get your temps and grind right for the pouring technique you've chosen.

Admittedly, I haven't tried a ton of different ones, maybe three or four. But this is the feeling what I've got.

Maybe there are some edge cases, like Ethiopian coffees being more prone to clogging the filter so less agitation might be a good idea.

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[–] CrayonRosary -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Using some gadgets in a kitchen isn't science. Science is a process through which you perform research in a way as to eliminate bias. Hoffman doesn't do science. None of those things you listed determine how good the coffee will taste. And modifying any one of them might have no effect at all. The only way to know is by doing unbiased taste tests while controlling variables.

If you haven’t had the opportunity to try different coffees prepared different ways, then that’s unfortunate for you. If you have and you can’t taste the differences, maybe that’s on you? The only people I’ve ever met with so little ability to distinguish tastes were smokers.

What a shitload of stupid straw man arguments that don't even deserve a reply. I said nothing about my personal ability to discerns flavor. I was commenting on pseudoscientific youtubers who don't publish their taste testing methodology and are prone to bias. It's well documented that when a person thinks something is special (including a preparation method) they rate it higher.

So anyway, do you find using three jiggles or four gives the optimal taste when using a plastic V60? I'm dying to know.

[–] Inconcinnity 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Using some gadgets in a kitchen isn’t science. Science is a process through which you perform research in a way as to eliminate bias. Hoffman doesn’t do science.

Yeah no shit. The point of those "gadgets" (infantilising the equipment doesn't make it any less scientifically relevant) is to objectively measure whether changes in methodology are having an effect. That way you're not relying on a person's taste and inherent bias to tell you if it's making a difference. How is that not science exactly? Honestly, do you even watch Hoffman's content or did you just see a few tasting videos and conclude that it was all nonsense?

None of those things you listed determine how good the coffee will taste. And modifying any one of them might have no effect at all. The only way to know is by doing unbiased taste tests while controlling variables.

That's right, none of the objective data can tell you how it tastes. A change to contact time might have increased extraction by 10%, but how do you know whether that actually tastes good? You have to either taste it yourself, or have someone else taste it and describe it to you. Which is what Hoffman does, with blind tastings, and often with the result of challenging his own preconceptions. I'm curious exactly how you propose to eliminate bias further than that?

So anyway, do you find using three jiggles or four gives the optimal taste when using a plastic V60? I’m dying to know.

Now who's straw manning?

[–] CrayonRosary -1 points 8 months ago

do you even watch Hoffman's content

Of course not! I drink Folger's Crystals. Why would I need his useless content?

[–] Holyginz 1 points 8 months ago

Oh no, I guess we have to tell all the scientists in the world that if their processes and procedures don't conform to your standards and make complete sense to you that they wasted all their education because they aren't doing real science. Lol, the scientific method and process if done right will work to eliminate bias, but eliminating bias isn't the sole purpose. The main purpose is getting good reliable results that are repeatable, even if the result disproves their original hypothesis.