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[–] [email protected] 95 points 9 months ago (35 children)

No, Newtonian physics works just fine. Unless things are too big, too small, too fast, or too slow.

At least that's what a meme I once saw said.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (29 children)

So it works fine on human scales, but for most of the universe it is inadequate. That means it's wrong. Quantum physics and relativity are also wrong since he are unable to reconcile the two, despite them both being the best models we have for their respective scales. We have known for the past century that we have only just begun to understand the universe, and that all our models are irreconcilable with each other, meaning that they are ultimately wrong.

Just because a model is useful doesn't mean it is right.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (14 children)

Agreed, but it leads to people who are less knowledgeable to draw the wrong conclusions.

Basically for just about anything you want to do on Earth Newton works perfectly fine. You can send people to the moon using nothing but Newton. Two big things you need Einstein for is the orbit of Mercury and GPS satellites. So from a pure science point of view Newton is wrong or maybe incomplete. From a regular Joe point of view Newton is dead on. By proclaiming Newton is wrong, it leads to people concluding that all science is wrong, because there is always someone working on the next iteration. So people think vaccines are dangerous, wearing masks is dumb, herbs and spices cure cancer, global warming is fake and homeopathic shit does anything except remove money from their wallets. Because what do scientists know, they've been wrong all the time in the past.

Newton is not wrong, it's just incomplete for some very niche things. And Einstein fixed all of that so we're all good.

In reality it's good to always be looking to disprove something and create new and better knowledge. But only if that's your job and only for very niche things. We've got the basics down for most things on Earth and there is no reason any regular person should doubt that.

[–] voluble 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

By proclaiming Newton is wrong, it leads to people concluding that all science is wrong, because there is always someone working on the next iteration

I've never had sympathy for this line of thinking. Is the average person truly too ignorant to understand that science is a constantly developing process of better understanding our universe, not some set of unimpeachable rules carved into stone tablets once and forever? The fact that science can be updated, changed, revolutionized, is what makes it powerful.

If people need to be 'protected' from that fact, there is something fundamentally wrong with the way science is taught in schools. I can't accept that the average person can't comprehend such a simple idea that would take less than an hour to convincingly communicate.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

I’ve never had sympathy for this line of thinking. Is the average person truly too ignorant to understand that science is a constantly developing process of better understanding our universe, not some set of unimpeachable rules carved into stone tablets once and forever?

YES because often times the opposing model is the Bible, which is updated very irregularly and people will form sects over a single differing interpretation of a single passage.

Changing your mind / learning new information can be construed as the super-hated "flip-flop".

Unfortunately, the illogical are immune to logic. No amount of it will be effective.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Yes, the average person is ignorant of stuff that need to be updated once in a while. There is something wrong with the current form of education. And you need to accept that understanding doesn't come easy.

If you can't do that last part, well, there you go. Same thing for the average person.

[–] kurwa 3 points 9 months ago

It's less that Newton is wrong and more like it's an approximation. Things always get more complicated because we are learning more about everything all the time, but for simple day to day things Newton is fine to be used and even taught.

You could also say it's important from a historical perspective, learning how we got from Newton to bigger and better things is important too.

[–] systemglitch 0 points 9 months ago

I think you communicated it well in two paragraphs.

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