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That's a fine take and all but the screenshot in the post is about the users, not the owners.
Using your analogy, the hosts of a socialist show are neoliberals because the network - the only network for over a decade - is neoliberal.
Yes, Jon Stewart is a neo-liberal. I didn't really think that was seriously disputed.
Anything approaching a socialist network was dismantled long ago. There is no left-wing establishment. They were priced out of existence intentionally and then targeted by brutal crackdowns, hostile regulation, buyouts and in some cases straight up outlawed.
I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand how Jon Stewart and socialist networks relate to what I said.
I'm saying that if your only option for a network is neoliberal and you have a (socialist) message you want to get out, using that network to do it does not make your a neoliberal.
If you have a socialist message that network is not going to let you get it out unless it thinks it's going to be able to sell commercials alongside it.
If at any point in time that network thinks that something you're going to say is going to undermine its neoliberal position it will censor you and it has proven that time and time again.
Your mistake is thinking that you get to use the network to do your message when in reality the network is going to use you to get its revenue.
If one of the owner bros decides to give you a platform it's because they are making money on it. Just like neoliberals give platforms to fascists. Neoliberals don't really care about the ideology as long as it doesn't threaten their revenue.
... And? If they sell ads, does that make you a neoliberal?
The analogy falls apart here because socialist message were not censored on Twitter.
It's hard to think that you're being serious with this kind of reasoning.
You're drawing some pretty spurious conclusions from what I'm saying.
They don't have to censor every socialist message just the ones they think will undermine their position.
It's not a great analogy to compare tweets to television in the first place but I'm still not sure of a few things:
Why bring up Jon Stewart and his political views?
Why do you think I'm assuming you meant all socialist messages were censored?
What kind of messages do you think were getting censored on Twitter?
How does posting pro-socialist sentiments on a neoliberal website make you a neoliberal?