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[–] Jollyllama 32 points 8 months ago (8 children)

This is a Jewish Israeli extremist. Dont judge all of us based on this abhorrent example.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago (4 children)

This is a Jewish Israeli extremist.

... who teaches at a yeshiva that gets its funding from the Israeli government.... guess he's not so extreme he can't get government funding. Embarrassing. Even in the relatively thoughtless USA we would cancel that sponsorship in a second.

[–] duffman 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Do Israeli institutions not have mechanisms to dismiss officials who vocalize rhetoric like this?

[–] mods_are_assholes 13 points 8 months ago

Sure they do, but do they want to is the real question.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

They have mechanisms to dismiss the rest

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No clue. I'm just pointing out the existing association. He could be 1 in 1000 or he could be in 1 in 4.

[–] Jollyllama 1 points 8 months ago

In my experience 1 in 4

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Actually those yeshivas to get funding from Israeli government are more likely to be extremist.

[–] Jollyllama 6 points 8 months ago

Israeli democracy often resembles more of a Jewish "theocracy" I say that as a former Israeli voter. There is a huge coalition of religious politicians that work together to keep money flowing to the orthodox haredi voters whonare invaluable to them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

I have taken pains to point out that Zionism does not equate Judaism. Three of the men from whom I have learned the most about this conflict are all Jewish, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein and Ilan Pappé.

[–] TORFdot0 10 points 8 months ago

It’d be like asking Hamas the same question, clearly we shouldn’t judge the Palestinian innocents on Hamas’ views, nor should we judge Israel on this guys views

[–] Squizzy 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'll judge Israelis on the actions and words of their representatives and armes forces.

Doesn't seem that much different to this extremist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Majority held views among the population are in support of Gazan genocide and withholding all food from entering Gaza. The settler society at all levels understands its interests demand genocide.

[–] Squizzy 3 points 8 months ago

Exactly my point, this extremist does speak for the majority.

[–] pickman_model 1 points 8 months ago

No judgement to you all from me. War is a conductive environment for extremism. War is hell, after all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Don't worry, we're judging you (Israel) by your actions, which... checks notes... are in full alignment

[–] Crass_Spektakel -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

He is not just an extremist but also an Idiot.

Killing everyone in Gaza is just dumb because there are also several 10.000 Israeli soldiers in Gaza.

But meh... we already learned that extremism breads brain rot. Hamas is proof of it.

Crass

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Drax? Is that you?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Ok, well if that's the case what is your community going to do to ensure he does not receive support from you, and that he can not recruit from within you, and that your community does not produce more extremists like him?

Usually in this type of situation the answer is to act outraged on social media.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Not the OP, but sadly, the israeli state has a vested interest in supporting rabbis like him who act as an arm of extreme statist propaganda.

Even though the "disciples" of these kinds of rhetoric are not likely to serve in the military, they will egg on the existing population and do their spiel of making bullshit stories up.

And while I'd love to be in a position to go all "not all of us are like that", and while I'm aware there are some Israelis who fight to get food in gaza, my entire family and most of my friends and colleagues spout this kind of extreme rhetoric, and i honestly feel like I'm slowly losing my mind over it.

There is not much willing in any community, and not much hope anything will change internally for the time being.

[–] Jollyllama 2 points 8 months ago

Most of my family believes similarly to this Rabbi. I feel like if I try to defend the Palestinians or put an ounce of blame on the Israeli occupation I'll be excommunicated.

I instead try to teach the undecided, usually the ones who have been ignorant to the situation or those who haven't yet "taken a side". I grew up in an orthodox Jewish settlement on the west bank so I belibe I can speak with some amount of authority.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Your situation sounds pretty miserable and you do have my sympathy.

I'm naive to the nuance of the Israel / Gaza / extremist situation. My comment was just a tongue in cheek commentary on the nature of ideologies and extremism.

Ideologies tend to attract and / or produce nutters, provide them succour, but then disclaim their behaviours.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

And more importantly, is it ok if we carpetbomb his neighbourhood?