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Israel will push on with its offensive against Hamas, including into the southern Gaza city of Rafah, despite growing international pressure to stop, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday.

Netanyahu has vowed to destroy Hamas after its fighters attacked southern Israel on Oct. 7, killing 1,200 people and abducting 253, according to Israeli tallies. More than 30,000 people have been killed in Gaza during Israel's subsequent offensive, Palestinian health authorities estimate, prompting worldwide criticism and condemnation.

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[–] saltesc 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Well, you gotta remember that in the Bible, the Jews (then Hebrews before becoming Israelites) are God's chosen people and God aids them in destroying other nationalities all the time in the Old Testament. Hence the 12 Tribes and Israel coming about.

Christians will back the 12 Tribes of Israel because they're the foundation of their religion. You can't have Christianity without accepting God chose the Jews as his people and created the Kingdom of God and distributed it amongst Jacob's 12 sons. If this is not true, nothing after it is either including Jesus as the Son of God, gentiles being accepted, and being judged be the 12 thrones in End Times.

So I think you will find most Christians support it while those that don't simply don't know their own religion too well.

So, yup! Pretty fuckin' scary. But it's not like it's anything new. Lots of people have been killed in the name of religion before us and lots of people will once we're gone.

[–] Maggoty 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not really. The Catholic Church vilified Jews for over a thousand years. There's also the new testament/old testament debate. Basically Jesus 86'd the old rules and that's why Christians don't have kosher stuff.

[–] saltesc 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What's the Catholic church got to do with any of that, let alone the villifying part? This is literal thousands of years before them.

[–] Maggoty 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They controlled the Western Christian narrative until 1517. And if Jesus gave everyone a clean slate, then does Israel have a righteous claim to the holy land?

Spoiler, they don't recognize Israel as an authority over Jerusalem.

[–] saltesc 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Did not realise Western society and the Roman church were involved in the Torah—shit, don't tell the Muslims.

You're not incorrect, I just still have no idea why you're raising such things way ahead in history.

[–] Maggoty 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Do you not understand how history works? That position between us and the alleged events means they got to edit, add, and delete all kinds of shit before we were ever born.

So when they control the European narrative from 300 CE to 1500 CE; that then informs what everyone after them thinks. Including the Protestants.

Even the Bible that people think of as the standard Bible was a project by King James because the Calvinists Bible wasn't appropriately respectful of divine monarchy in his opinion. And having nothing much else to base it on at the time, it's based on the Catholic Bible and a few previous attempts to convert the Catholic Bible to the English Church. Then Evangelists turned to the Scofield Bible in the 1900's; which was just a well annotated King James Bible.

The evangelists who support Israel because they believe they'll see Jesus again are still stuck on the Scofield Bible.

It's not until you get to the NIV that people are trying to reach back to archeologically recovered Greek, Cyrillic, and Latin Bibles to create one not based on Catholic meddling for over a thousand years. And neither the Catholics or Conservative Evangelists are willing to do anything with the NIV. And congregations using the NIV still have to contend with a lifetime of using previous Bibles and dogma from other churches.

So do you understand why the Catholic Church is important to Christian ideology in the the US yet?

[–] saltesc 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Okay.

And what of any of that has to do with what I said and the history of the Jewish people in Israel?

I know you don't mean this and what you're saying is not incorrect, but in context you're essentially saying Abrahamic religions are founded on the influences of the Christian church and modern day Americans. Perhaps rather than a stance of disagreement, you should have had one of raising additional points that occured much further along the historical timeline and how they may influence (pecifically) US Christians today.

[–] Maggoty -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This was you several comments ago.

Christians will back the 12 Tribes of Israel because they’re the foundation of their religion. You can’t have Christianity without accepting God chose the Jews as his people and created the Kingdom of God and distributed it amongst Jacob’s 12 sons. If this is not true, nothing after it is either including Jesus as the Son of God, gentiles being accepted, and being judged be the 12 thrones in End Times.

This is demonstrably wrong. If you want to argue that Christians are hypocrites then fine. But the mere existence of that story doesn't create an obligation and most Christians don't even connect that to modern Israel.

[–] saltesc -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm arguing nothing. You are. Though, I don't know what at since it's entirely disassociated from anything I said and everything I've since said is just this sentence repeated. And yet here you are, still going...

[–] Maggoty 2 points 9 months ago

And the sky is pink polka dots, sure.