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Add it all up, and the social web is changing in three crucial ways: It’s going from public to private; it’s shifting from growth and engagement, which broadly involves building good products that people like, to increasing revenue no matter the tradeoff; and it’s turning into an entertainment business. It turns out there’s no money in connecting people to each other, but there’s a fortune in putting ads between vertically scrolling videos that lots of people watch. So the “social media” era is giving way to the “media with a comments section” era, and everything is an entertainment platform now. Or, I guess, trying to do payments. Sometimes both. It gets weird.

As far as how humans connect to one another, what’s next appears to be group chats and private messaging and forums, returning back to a time when we mostly just talked to the people we know. Maybe that’s a better, less problematic way to live life. Maybe feed and algorithms and the “global town square” were a bad idea. But I find myself desperately looking for new places that feel like everyone’s there. The place where I can simultaneously hear about NBA rumors and cool new AI apps, where I can chat with my friends and coworkers and Nicki Minaj. For a while, there were a few platforms that felt like they had everybody together, hanging out in a single space. Now there are none.

I’d love to follow that up with, “and here’s the new thing coming next!” But I’m not sure there is one. There’s simply no place left on the internet that feels like a good, healthy, worthwhile place to hang out. It’s not just that there’s no sufficiently popular place; I actually think enough people are looking for a new home on the internet that engineering the network effects wouldn’t be that hard. It’s just that the platform doesn’t exist. It’s not LinkedIn or Tumblr, it’s not upstarts like Post or Vero or Spoutable or Hive Social. It’s definitely not Clubhouse or BeReal. It doesn’t exist.

Long-term, I’m bullish on “fediverse” apps like Mastodon and Bluesky, because I absolutely believe in the possibility of the social web, a decentralized universe powered by ActivityPub and other open protocols that bring us together without forcing us to live inside some company’s business model. Done right, these tools can be the right mix of “everybody’s here” and “you’re still in control.”

But the fediverse isn’t ready. Not by a long shot. The growth that Mastodon has seen thanks to a Twitter exodus has only exposed how hard it is to join the platform, and more importantly how hard it is to find anyone and anything else once you’re there. Lemmy, the go-to decentralized Reddit alternative, has been around since 2019 but has some big gaps in its feature offering and its privacy policies — the platform is absolutely not ready for an influx of angry Redditors. Neither is Kbin, which doesn’t even have mobile apps and cautions new users that it is “very early beta” software. Flipboard and Mozilla and Tumblr are all working on interesting stuff in this space, but without much to show so far. The upcoming Threads app from Instagram should immediately be the biggest and most powerful thing in this space, but I’m not exactly confident in Meta’s long-term interest in building a better social platform.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think the "Fediverse is hard to join" thing is a myth corporate are pushing. I signed up for Mastodon and it took me 1 minute (mostly because I had to open up my email to verify it); same for lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly it took me a while to figure it out, and under different circumstances it might have prevented me from joining.

The first server I tried to join required a "reason" for joining, and I was put off by that. Eventually found a server that didn't have that requirement, but at the time i wasn't even sure such a server existed.
Now I'm considering hosting my own instance, to make it easier for my friends to jump into the fediverse.

[–] NevermindNoMind 2 points 2 years ago

It just occurred to me that some people would probably feel more comfortable with a faceless corporation being in control of their accounts and being able to exploit the information their sharing on social media, then having a friend be their admin. I've seen a lot of people mention don't what you're doing and setting up a server for friends to use, which sounds neat, but there used to be that old joke on reddit about never giving friends your username, but here you'll become their admin.

On the other hand setting up a server for friends is the first time having local servers with local communities has made sense to me. You could have little server only and private communities for game night, or to planning, or whatever. It's be like a private reddit, kind of like how the verge author talks about going back to communicating just with people we know, but at the same time everyone would have access to the larger drivers.

[–] rusfairfax 3 points 2 years ago

This. Is it really that hard to join Mastodon or Lemmy? Isn’t the only difference that you have to select a server. Kinda like World of Warcraft. I don’t think I heard anyone saying that WoW was tough to join. Tough to play maybe lol.