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I'm not a member of the gay community at all, but I'm struggling to understand this decision.
It's not "the police" that did this - it's an ex boyfriend who also happens to be a copper. I don't believe there's any insinuation that the NSW police haven't done their jobs properly investigating the murders (someone please feel free to correct me if I've got this wrong), so why ask them not be inclusive by marching this year?
If a bricklayer murdered his ex boyfriend and their new lover the same way, would they ask all brickies (or tradies) to not march too? Inclusion is as much about not tarring everyone with the same brush as it is about tolerance and acceptance, and I feel the gay community could be making a misstep here.
Again, I'm not a member of the gay community, so I definitely can't know what people who are, are feeling about this. Just observing that, from the outside, their anger and distress appear to be misdirected in this particular instance.
Brickies and tradies don't have a history of murdering members of the community the way the cops do - especially in nsw.
Besides, a tradie rarely marches AS a tradie. They march as themselves. Cops are really the only ones who constantly insist they must march as their occupation.
I can see your points but, based on the reporting so far, it seems the accused didn't murder them because he's an institutionally intolerant cop, did he? It seems it had nothing to do with the uniform he wore for a job.
Also, I'm not at all saying the NSW police don't have a shocking history of how terribly they've treated this particular community. But isn't the purpose of the cops marching in uniform in the parade to demonstrate their willingness to change, starting with a public display of tolerance and inclusion?
Like I said before, I can't honestly know how the community feels about all this. I'm just confused as to why they're aiming their anger at the cops, when this seems to be anything other than a hate crime perpetrated by the police themselves.
Well, heres the thing.
It's been repeatedly brought up how uncomfortable and to many inappropriate it is to have uniformed officers march at Pride events. And every. Damned. Time the cops have thrown an absolute shitfit and forced the issue.
Does that sound like a 'public display of tolerance and inclusion'? Railroading over the top of a community for their own ends? The more they push, the more it looks like Sending A Message.
Interesting - that context isn't presented to us here in Melbourne, at least not that I've seen. If that's the case, then this starts to make more sense for sure. Thanks for explaining it.
The context of contention re: cops at pride? It's definitely A Thing, any member of the Community will give you a very loud opinion on it lol
Hmm, thing is no one is locking individuals-who-happen-to-be-cops out of Pride. They just don't want cops marching as The Police Force. Many consider it pinkwashing normally, on the heels of yet another queer couple murdered by a cop? Yeeeeahhhh nah.
It's wrong and harmful to lock any group out of Pride celebrations. Police are not the enemy of gay people and by and large have done a lot to help protect LGBTQ andr respond to helping persecute people that commit hate crimes.
Pride is supposed to be about inclusion and acceptance. If we gay people want acceptance from society we need to be big enough to allow acceptance to all other groups also. Pride isn't just a "gay" thing. It's about all people everywhere being proud of their adulthood and their ability to rise above conflict and get along.
I read “I’m not part of the gay community” and I knew exactly what I would read next, just as I’ve read 1000 times before.
I’m so tired of reading this kind of drivel, taking the time to lay out all the history and facts, only to have it fall on deaf ears.
If you actually cared you’d do some research before posting.
My original comment was pretty clear on the fact that I was trying to understand an alternate perspective. Not history. History tells me about events - it doesn't help me understand why those events make people feel a certain way.
But, by all means, feel free to continue playing the exasperated victim card, and making assumptions about the other person in the conversation.
At least that way, you get to keep blaming everyone else for not making the effort to understand, rather than - you know - actually taking the time to help them understand.
Open minds require open minds.