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Labour are pretty centre right under Starmer.
Not really. However Labour is a broad church, always has been, and the reality is they have the most electoral success when they come towards that centre ground. Blair showed that, and on the flip side Corbyn showed that the British public don't have the stomach for that lurch to the Left. It's needs to be a slow shift, an election cycle/leader at a time which moves the party and brings the British people with them.
The Liberal Democrats are centre-right. Labour are comfortably soft-left.
Only in the land of Corbyn cosplayers.
We basically have a neoliberal uniparty right now. Tories, Labour, who cares… big business is in charge.
Labour haven't been in power for like 12 years, who knows how well they'd govern compared to the current conservatives? This is a totally fallacious take repeated too often.
No.
Labour have proven in the past that they are also in the pockets of big business. In 4 years time you'll be saying, "give the Conservatives a chance, they haven't been in power for 4 years." Fuck that. We need a new world order that isn't run by mega corporations hell-bent on profit at any cost. We can't trust any of the established ruling class any longer.
Yeah, well while you're working on that I'll take the guys who aren't Bond villains thanks. Labour has proven anything in the past that's disgusted and enraged me more than this government does almost every day.
Ultimately you have a point but we can't be ambivalent or reductive in our philosophy.
It's ridiculous to accuse the Tories of being "neoliberal". Perhaps they used to be*, but they've since morphed into a far right populist party. They are actively working against everything that liberals stand for: free trade, human rights, personal freedoms, regulated free markets, etc.
I get that you don't like those things, and that you also don't like the Tories, but to conflate the two just makes you sound ridiculous.
* - if "neoliberal" had any concrete meaning - which I would dispute.