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I think they should split.
I think Labour should split.
I think we should have fringe loonies on the right, fringe loonies on the left, and a sensible forward thinking centre ground group of parties that represents the majority of the electorate. Doesn't have to be a single centrist party, but a group that can align on most things.
But that would never happen under FPTP. ๐ข
Centre doesn't mean inherently correct, it also doesn't mean forward. That's a frankly naive view of politics if it's what you genuinely believe.
It doesn't, correct. But my point is that the centre ground has to compromise more because of their very nature. It's inherently less extreme that the far right or far left. Literally by definition.
Whilst there is a danger that "nothing gets done" in a coalition of the centre ground (which I think your poo meme is getting at?) I think the dialogue and willingness to accept compromise is better there. I'd rather have a government and politics on that basis than extreme lurches to the left and right with zero room for compromise if you're not in one group or the other.
So no, it's not a silver bullet. You're right. But that's just where I'd rather be. PR as the form of government election voting in the UK and then to fill the house with a true representation of the country, which I don't believe is as extreme as the current system portrays it.
where do you see the extreme Left manifest itself in British politics?
Mostly at council level. Momentum (and I don't think they'd mind that badge). Recent choice words by Labour councillors. It's thankfully not the norm anymore but it's there.
have you got some examples?
Compromise is not what is needed, progress is what is needed. You want to maintain a broken status quo with a prettier face
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Yes they are. Compromising with the side that support status quo is inherently against progress
Forgive me but that's a straw man argument. Why assume that parties in the centre want the status quo? That's not what left, right, and centre politics means.
Centrists are opposed to capitalism now?
Eh? ๐ Did I say that? Sorry I'm totally lost now. Care to explain?
Capitalism is the status quo. Progress is wanting to replace it
Riiiiight. ๐