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[–] AliasAKA 47 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

This is somewhat misleading. According to that Wikipedia page, just using the US estimates, Ukraine has had 70k deaths and Russia has had 120k+. While these are similar in that they both round to 100k perhaps, Russia has almost double the Ukrainian military personnel losses.

War is miserable, but I don’t think Ukraine is losing military personnel by nearly the same clip that Russia is.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

While that's true, I would argue the total human cost is similar. Your estimates do not count stolen and killed Ukrainian civilians. Adding those would make the numbers far closer, especially since no Russian civilians are caught in this conflict so far.

Not saying any of this is OK. Just unfortunately the numbers are very similar. War is miserable.

*And yes, the fact that Ukraine is suffering more losses due to the fact that it's Russia invading absolutely makes Russia the bad guy here. I'm just pointing out that the losses are unfortunately very close.

[–] nevemsenki 8 points 10 months ago

The population ratio ia roughly 3:1 though, so even 120:70 is far from sustainable or winnable sadly. I'd imagine those numbers would be way better if the military aid was not drip fed...