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I'd like to get away from "arch bad for new users" (self.linux)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by squid_slime to c/[email protected]

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When I say arch I mean the arch distro and all of its offspring.

Endeavouros

Arch-gui

~~Manjaro~~

Artix --maybe not though

My first enjoyable distro was manjaro, the manjaro element less so but using arch clicked for me. But even so if my first experience was using arch and archinstall then yes its not the easiest but its also not that difficult, arch is treated like a boss battle in darksouls.

So when a pre configured GUI arch is recommend I would like to see less scar mongering.

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[–] balancedchaos 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Some functionality is missing, like USB plug and play, certain network file sharing capabilities, printing...so in addition to learning pacman, having to learn all the package names, you have to look up how to give the OS certain functionalities...it's a lot as a newbie. If you don't love working on computers, you may not make it through that phase.

And I say this with all due respect, as an Arch user myself.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

EndeavourOS might help with all of this but even then I wouldn't put a newbie who just wants to try Linux on it. Arch doesn't even have a proper GUI-based way of installing packages and there's not really an incentive to (Arch users say it's because PackageKit is shit, Arch developers say it's because PackageKit doesn't work with Arch's rolling package releases). PackageKit isn't actually supported on Arch and KDE Discover will go out of its way to tell people that it's not supported on Arch. Maybe someone who has experience with the command line I'd recommend Arch/Endeavour for, since you WILL be using it on Arch, no way around it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

@Flaky @balancedchaos ya this

[–] squid_slime 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Same could be said if I told someone to use Debian, but we tell people to use mint and its all taken care of. Manjaro had no issue with USB, and pacman in my opinion is the easiest package manager ive used but even so if it is that difficult then they can use a GUI package manager that would come pre installed on most GUI arch based distros

[–] bustrpoindextr 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

pacman in my opinion is the easiest package manager ive used but even so if it is that difficult then they can use a GUI package manager that would come pre installed on most GUI arch based distros

Recognizing that's your opinion, in my opinion it's the hardest I've used. The commands are all flags, so you have to remember letters instead of "install" or "upgrade" if you want to use any packages outside of the like 4 in the official repos, you have to enable AUR, which is effectively just installing from source from some random person's GitHub repo, in which any number of things can go wrong. I mean, there's a reason there exist a bunch of different wrappers for pacman.

[–] squid_slime 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

sorry it doesn't click for you, I grow up with severe dyslexia unable to read and write till the age of 18 which coincides with when I became interested in computers, so maybe for me flags are easier then apt get install update commands and the orders they go in

And I stopped using git commands once I found yay

And every GUI app store ive dealt with has an option to enable aur packages

[–] balancedchaos 7 points 8 months ago

Well even a bare bones install of Debian has USB plug and play, networking, printing...they include a bit more than Arch, even if you do have to install your own programs.