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Open question: What do you think a normal person's moral responsibilities are and why?

Some angles you can (but don't have to) consider:

To themselves, family, friends and strangers?

Do you have thoughts about what it takes to make a good person or at what point someone is a bad person? (Is there a category of people who are neither?)

What do you think the default state of people is? (Generally good, evil or neutral by nature?)

Conversely do you believe morality is a construction and reject it entirely? (Even practically speaking when something bad happens to you?)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

The issue with logic is that it is a great tool for analysis … but fails utterly at telling you what to analyze. The issue is the inevitable core of all logical argumentation: your warrants (sorta a.k.a. axioms).

No logical system can exist without axioms. And axioms by their nature cannot be logically proved. Axioms are where the failures of logic, even in otherwise rational and analytical people, slip in, often unseen until it's too late.

By way of analogy, the field of human knowledge is a large meadow. Somewhere in that meadow is a large chest of buried treasure you have to find. Most tools of analysis are like digging into the meadow with your bare hands in search of the treasure. Logic is a backhoe. NOTHING will dig through the ground faster and better than logic to get you to the tasty, tasty treasure.

But it does you no good if you dig in the wrong place.