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A Hong Kong court ordered the liquidation of China Evergrande, the world's most indebted property developer.

Evergrande has assets of about $245 billion, but owes about $300 billion.

Its demise is a "controlled collapse," but still raises systemic risk and will hurt investors, says an analyst.

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[–] halcyoncmdr 52 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The chickens are finally coming home to roost with the decades of bullshit in commercial real estate worldwide without proper regulation. This isn't unexpected to anyone with half a brain looking at the industry, which means it obviously completely blindsides major institutional investors who never even consider anything more than quarterly numbers in a vacuum. The pandemic exposed the systemic issues so quickly they couldn't just brush it under a rug with misinformation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying it's ideal or healthy.

But I don't see how the west would have an upcoming issue with real estate.

People are still willing to pay increasingly large amounts of money for real estate and when locals can't afford it they just bring in immigrants.

I'd be interested to know how the real estate valuation in the west is going to decrease.

[–] Nahodyashka 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have a feeling that "too big to fail" will continue to be the mantra in the west for bailing these institutions out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

They got given loans that they had to pay back with interest.

But I don't see how the west are going to fail. What's happening in China is different to the west

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Considering quarterly numbers in a vacuum… sounds strangely familiar. Feels like we’ve done this many times before, but we still keep on repeating the same mistakes.