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The European Central Bank (ECB) will need to see proof of slowing wage growth in the euro zone before interest rates can be lowered, ECB governing council member Klaas Knot said on Sunday.

"We now have a credible prospect that inflation will return to 2% in 2025. The only piece that's missing is the conviction that wage growth will adapt to that lower inflation", the Dutch central bank governor said in an interview with Dutch TV program Buitenhof.

"As soon as that piece of the puzzle falls in place, we will be able to lower interest rates a bit."

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If I might add, what do you think costs are?

I am intentionally using a somewhat loose term; costs are uses of finite resources. This could be labor, or it could be a physical item, like the iron ore you say I think is retrieved by putting cash in a box. And I'll pay you the same respect you've paid me by asking: do you think workers simply will iron ore into existence? Or make food, independent of the presence of fertile topsoil, water, and sunlight?

Money doesn’t disappear, it goes into someone’s pocket eventually, either through wages or through corporate income.

Yes, and the point is I want more of that money go into workers' pockets through wages than into owner's pockets through profits.

If costs are going up it means that someone somewhere is getting richer, meaning he has more money to spend, meaning things get more expensive.

You literally just said that money doesn't disappear. Someone is getting richer either way. She'll have more money to spend regardless of if she's an owner or a worker.

It is true that wage growth does generally cause inflation. That's one reason you can live in the global south so cheaply. It's also why workers are so bad off there. Another example is Europe compared to the US: prices are higher in Europe, but workers get paid more and are better off than workers in the US. The whole point is that when workers' wages go up, they have a bigger portion of the total amount of money, and thus are better off. This inflation fearmongering is all a distraction from that.

[–] LufyCZ -2 points 11 months ago

Do workers simply will iron ore into existence

In terms of costs, yeah, that's exactly what they do. Someone's getting money for it, be it the land owner, the workers, the company providing the tech for it. Doesn't matter, there's always a person at the end of the cost pipeline.

workers pockets X owner's profit

In terms of inflation, this just doesn't help. Workers spend almost everything they get (living paycheck to paycheck), rich people do still spend the money (which means the money ends up in someone elses pocket) and yes, they will spend more than the average worker, but they also invest a big chunk, usually locking up the money, and at least temporarily taking it out of circulation.

Which reduces inflation, that's the point of high interest rates :)