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New gender gap (lemmy.ml)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is that the goal of girl scouts, though?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think so.

What are you trying to say? I don't know that much about Scouting in the U.S. At least in Germany we didn't have this gender divide in scouting, but as GSUSA were founded after the BSA I suspect that their goal was to provide scouting for girls because they couldn't join BSA.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The other guy said men can't have man-only spaces, referring to Boy Scouts in contrast to Girl Scouts, and you said that Boy Scouts isn't supposed to be a safe space to explore gender identity or emotions. If Girl Scouts isn't that kind of thing either, then that sounds like you think men only get to have that kind of man-only space, while women can have whatever.

As a man, if the only man-only spaces available were about gender identity or emotions, I'd probably go to neither. The former because I'm fully comfortable as a man (and the use of the term "gender identity" there implies it's more for trans people,) and the latter because I don't have significant issues with my emotions. Frankly, I don't really mind that most of the clubs and events that interest me are co-ed, but if there was a recurring women-only Minecraft party or something and there was never one for men, I'd be upset about that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I was saying we could create the missing liberal spaces ourselves. ThePantser said we couldn't because we're being called out as sexist when we do that. The only example for that being "boy scouts" which I suppose means BSA, an organization with massive sexual abuse and bullying problems (according to Wikipedia). No idea how they are supposed to be "liberal".

Whether the girl scouts accept other genders or not has no relevance for that argument. And if it would be fair for them to do that is a completely different discussion because girls are hit by sexism in a completely different way than boys.

the use of the term “gender identity” there implies it’s more for trans people

No, it doesn't.

if there was a recurring women-only Minecraft party or something and there was never one for men, I’d be upset about that.

And again you are completely ignoring any arguments about why these spaces might make sense.