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Fixing homelessness by giving people a home! I'm not sure that's going to work.....facepalm
Downvote the shit out of me, but explain how this works in the above case where one (let's even expand it a bit and say) nation chooses to do this, and everyone homeless around the world with the means to make the journey, decides to head down there and enter the country by whatever means? We're not talking about a taxpayer base, just a whole ton of people that want homes, and of course some small subset of those people that want free homes. People seems to scoff at the "it's a complex problem" thing because they don't think of the solution to homelessness within the confines of reality.
Im curious how you think they get to these nations, and you know theres immigration policy, you cant just move somewhere and take a house, you'll get deported back
Not knowing how anything works is the key to having those takes.
How is housing a domestic homeless person and different from housing an immigrant, from a national economics point of view? It's not like the former paid any taxes so far.
I'm curious if this is what happened in Finland?
It’s almost like the only solution is to de commodify housing everywhere, globally, and provide everyone shelter because it’s a human right and so clearly works to fix many mental health problems.
It’s almost like C A P I T A L I S M does not inherently provide a good living standard to everyone, and allows the very wealthiest to pit us against each other in a rat race to the bottom. “Decommodification means someone will take your house!” No. It means you’ll always have a place to live and enough housing will be built to support the entire population. It means that billionaires will have to give up their extra homes.
Housing is a right, not an investment vehicle. The entire industry from building, selling, buying and renting needs a reset. Short term rentals need their own zoning type at a minimum, residential zoning should remain residential. There are some really papers out of McGill and university of Uppsala on financialization of housing and it's effect on affordability. There is so much shit to do on this topic and everyone is stuck at bleeting "build more homes" on the internet.
Every homeless around the world with the means to make the journey... Is a number thats only irrelevantly larger than 0
Unfortunately as I expected, the replies are just more questions.
You only got questions because your original post was inane. On a news item about a country providing homes to their homeless citizens, you asked how a country could do this without being flooded with migrants. You posed it as a gotcha, and demanded we come up with solutions to this problem that you, the most intelligent man in the room, found.
Finland had to close their borders recently due to a migrant influx, which they have since opened. Wonder where they'll live, and who will pay for it, what services will the funding be redirected from, and what magical insta-build housing they'll live in (it takes 18 months to build a 20+ unit complex after a quick Google).
My response was to Quebec city, expanded to "how could a nation even manage this from start to finish, nevermind a city". I like this sarcastic attack on my person, though. This is precisely why I didn't engage. If one says anything but "homelessness bad, housing good", the internet megaminds come out and try to apply their critical thinking skills. I like your use of "we" here as well.
Finland's recent closing of the eastern border had nothing to do with homeless flocking to available housing, and everything to do with attempts at destabilization by Russia. Do not use this as ammunition for your arguments, as they come from an obvious place of ignorance.
Finland's housing first policy has been in place for over 15 years. You talk about it as if it just started. A country can not only manage just fine with these policies, but can thrive.
All the questions are great ones but you ignore all of them and post this reply to your own question so you don’t have to engage with any one of them in a good faith conversation.