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[–] Jaderick 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There’s few differences between the state structure of North Korea and Saudi Arabia yet SA doesn’t show up on that list. Also this axis of evil is very funny to me because it’s just clearly from the American perspective, even though the US is to blame (UK is too) for the current shitty Iranian government because they reinstated and propped up the unpopular shah after a democratically elected revolution in the 50s, thus creating the environment the Islamic Revolution used to thrive.

IIRC houthis are Shia and their goal was to overthrow the presumably Sunni SA-backed Yemeni government. They have support from Iran due to Shia ties and are a thorn in SAs power projection in the region. The US is allied to SA and Israel and clashes with Iran so it’s not surprising they’re being used to disrupt western interests. They would clearly have no love for the US because of its weapon provisions to SA.

China and Russia, both adversarial to the US, love this and are clearly using anti-US / west sentiments to their benefit, even though they both are trash authoritarian governments. This is all, likely, a ripple effect from colonialism. China and Russia benefit from the US / the west having to fight the consequences of their colonialism, though both are neo-colonialists themselves.

TLDR: this is all not really that surprising.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

this axis of evil is very funny to me because it's just clearly from the American perspective...

I hope America isn't the only country that sees rampant human rights violations, state sponsored starvation, ethnic cleansing, and the destruction of female rights as evil. But if that's truly the case, I'll go ahead and subscribe to that criticism. I'm not sure taking a "That's rich coming from the US!" stance here is the gotcha moment you think it is. The US isn't without fault but, defending these groups from the labels they've been given by the West is like saying the term "death squads" is funny when referring to the Einsatzgruppen because the Allied powers also used toxic gasses during the first world war.

[–] Jaderick 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think giving a moniker like “Axis of evil” is just silly. The implication is that there’s an “Axis of good”, but good for who? A Houthi could call the West the “axis of evil” and it’s as valid a moniker. You and I both probably agree on a similar morality and the US /Europe are definitely better places for science, intellectualism, and morality; but not as a monolith.

The US currently undergoes rampant human rights violations (border/migrants), state sponsored starvation (ending meal programs) and the destruction of female rights (abortion), coincidentally all exemplified by the One Star state of Texas.

So I wouldn’t call the US as a monolith good. It’s better than Russia, China, Iran, N Korea and others, but we could be doing so much better. Our problem is that we’re fighting anti-imperialist/occupier sentiments from within living memory abroad as well as our own stupids at home.

[–] Relo -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You could likewise say that it's a ripple effect from russian and Chinese colonialism/imperialism.

[–] Jaderick 2 points 10 months ago

Neocolonialism, but yes indeed! The West’s history of colonialism plays well into Russian and Chinese neocolonialism narratives.