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US attacks Houthi anti-ship missiles, vessel hit in Red Sea (www.reuters.com)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

If you think you're bullshitting, your bullshit is better informed than most people's sincere attempts to understand.

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I get what you're saying, but I also think it's not true. The idea that the US wants other countries weak and divided is only true in the case of countries that are outright hostile to us.

I feel like that is the Arab world, though. I actually agree with everything you're saying here and after, but I feel like the unifying principle, if the Arab world were to quiet down and unite, would be a lot more Iran and a lot less Egypt.

I definitely do disagree. In the 80s, our pro-Israel policy was still nascent, and opposition to Israel wasn't yet a death sentence on either side of the aisle.

See this is where I say I don't actually know what I'm talking about. I just tried to remedy that by skimming a fair bit of the Wikipedia articles about Israel / US relations and the AIPAC. So it actually talks about exactly what I was saying -- the success AIPAC had in the early 1980s in eviscerating politicians who threatened Israel's interests, contrasted with the modern day where it publicly clashed with Ilhan Omar but couldn't even get a "we symbolically condemn anti-Semitism" bill to pass un-watered-down.

And yet, in terms of US-Israel relations, the only thing that really strikes me is how unchanging the dynamic is as decades pass by. Basically, we provide them with an unceasing flow of weapons and money and periodically tell them "Hey! Don't do that" like a distracted parent.

I think it will in the long term, but I also think that people hoping for a sudden turnaround in public opinion are wishing on a star. It's taken several months of this just for a significant minority of Democrats to turn against further support to Israel.

Agreed. Change takes time and the people in Washington are usually the last to fall in line with the change.