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If you had some stranger threatening your child, how much proof should you need before getting a restraining order?
actually, you should need enough proof to show the stranger made those remarks, yeah?
like, people make false accusations all the time. like... how many times have karens called the cops wanting exactly this to happen?
Edit to clarify: you need to satisfy a cop that the subject actually represents a persistent threat. That cop then can issue a protective order of a relatively short duration (days, typically), while the courts decide-adversarially- if it is indeed warranted.
Actually, there are more cases of domestic violence than false accusations. How come we’re not worried about false accusations of robbery when they happen at the same rate as false accusations of sexual assault? Trust me, there are not karens lurking in every corner trying to make fake reports.
In our society where sexual assault is underreported, and one in 4 women experience domestic violence, why are you putting a comment that wouldn’t help this society improve on this front?
protective orders are used for far more than just instances of domestic violence. domestic violence. Further, just because most accusations of domestic violence aren't false... doesn't mean that there doesn't need to be some attempt to verify the truth of the accusation. Arguing that 99 prior accusations were honest, doesn't mean that 1 time isn't.
And yet... it happens... sure a lot of those are for stupid reasons. It's still pure malice, and it's still wrong. Amy cooper, did exactly what we're talking.
Police don't issue POs in any jurisdiction I know of. You have to go to court for that. Police can't do more than ask them nicely to go away until you get a court issued PO signed by a judge.
The vast majority of evidence shows that people don't tend to go around falsely accusing their loved ones of crimes just for kicks and giggles. Yet every abuse apologist loves to polish up that argument every single time.
I'm trying to give you the benefit of doubt, but you do realize that making these arguments in this way puts you squarely aligned with the most consistent group of murderers in the world, right?
"People are being hurt and terrorized, and need to be protected!"
"But we couldn't possibly take away a few guns until we sort this out, because an entitled violent person's right to have a gun is way more important than thousands of innocent murdered women and children, right!...Right?"