Again, my father was a socialist. He wrote a his dissertation on Shaw and the socialist aspects of one of his plays. He was British and said he was never more proud of his homeland then when he helped it usher in the National Health Service with his vote. When I moved here to Terre Haute, Indiana, he made sure to get me to take him to the Eugene V. Debs museum because of how much he admired debs. How does that make him an 80s liberal? Do please explain.

I was speaking of the word used as an identifier/label, 'progressive', vs 'liberal', and not the content of what was being said, at all. No disrespect was meant towards the comment, just a tongue-and-cheeck attempt at discussing the labels. As I mentioned before, concerning the content of your comment ...

(BTW, your comment was a good read.)

When it comes to my comment discussing labels, today's 'liberal' is considered a 'centrist' by today's younger generations (which pisses me off to no end, but that's another discussion for another time), and what they think of as liberal they call progressive, hence my comment.

And for the record (not trying to measure dicks here, but only because you quoted your dads history) I'm a Gen-Xer who was born/raised in the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles in the 70's/80's, a perverbial "Valley Dude", and lived 'in the capital of Liberalism' the vast majority of my life. Liberalism of that day is not what Progressivism is today. I feel that I could be considered a 'subject expert' in a court case when it came to Liberals and Liberalism of that time.