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    [–] victorz 55 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    Haven't run into a game yet that doesn't run on Linux when using Proton. 👌

    [–] cybersandwich 44 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The Finals works on Linux!

    In other news, I got a message saying I was banned from The Finals for playing on Linux.

    [–] victorz 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    That's gotta be rectifiable somehow. Did you contact some sort of support?

    [–] cybersandwich 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    It said I could reach out to support but I was hopping off and it didn't give me any links or anything actionable in the message. So I guess I can go hunt down the support info and complain.

    If I don't get unbanned, oh well. I guess I won't play that game anymore. Its not like I spent any money on it and my time invested in about an hour at this point.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    That ban also pop up on your steam account? Because if it does that can screw you in other games if they have community servers.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I was banned from The Finals for playing on Linux

    How is that not illegal?

    [–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Well, civil rights lawyers have been pretty busy lately trying to stop the slide into facism, so they haven’t gotten around to making our choice of OS a protected class.

    Seriously though, why would it be illegal? It’s their game, so they get to be assholes and decide who gets to play it with them. I don’t think that’s ever going to change, and I’m not sure it should. We do the same thing in the Fediverse, deciding who gets to use the instances we control.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    I would say claiming that a game supports a certain operating system and then banning players for playing it on the system is false advertising, especially if the game is paid.

    [–] Spiralvortexisalie 3 points 9 months ago

    The game is listed as not supporting SteamOS (Arguably the most popular linux distro for gaming right now) and incorporating drm that does not work on Linux, this is far from false advertising as I can see it. https://store.steampowered.com/app/2073850/THE_FINALS/

    [–] cybersandwich 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    I know that's a turn-of-phrase but it's their game so they can do what they want.

    It probably trips some EAC flag because it realizes something is "amiss". Id guess going through proton might behave a little differently and they think you are cheating or installing hacked dlls or something so they ban.

    I know when other games have caught a wave of Linux users in bans they reverse them in time.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    If someone buys a product from you, you shouln’t be able to deny them from using it based on arbitrary criteria without a refund.

    [–] duffkiligan 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Don’t worry, they refunded his $0 for the free game.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

    Oh, it’s free? Then never mind.

    [–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Most of the games not running today would run perfectly if they did not have some bullshit anti-cheat implemented (Easy Anti-Cheat is I think the worst offender here).

    Source: personal experience checking ProtonDB for games I want to play

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Huh? Easy Anti-Cheat is the one that actually works for me on Linux.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    see my reply to another comment here. I mentioned EAC simply because most games use it and don't enable the required flag for Linux support.

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    [–] Chee_Koala 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Battlebit Remastered ran fine with EZ anti-cheat through steam on Mint 21.3, with no exra steps required, just this week. Did something get fixed, or was I just lucky?

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    [–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    The only games that give me any trouble are some Japanese VNs, which can be absolutely cursed for some reason. Like, massive tech juggernauts like Cyberpunk are click and play, but I've spent hours getting books-with-PNGs working.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

    That's because their code quality is usually an absolute dumpster fire that only works if Wine exactly replicates obscure Windows bugs.

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    My problem is that I enjoy specific multiplayer games. League, Val, Finals. Those are the three right now and riot specifically seems a tad disinterested in Linux. Sadge.

    [–] Mango 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    League is owned by Tencent who is specifically interested in using the software for the benefit of the Chinese government as is mandatory for them. They don't want you using an OS with actual security. Heck, they don't even want you to see a skin or splash art that hasn't been approved by their government!

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    The anti cheat in league is literally a rootkit.

    When it came out there was an outcry and their statement was basically "okay okay, so its a rootkit. But guys, you can trust us! We're totally not going to do anything nefarious with it!"

    I can't believe people still play that shit.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    You mean Vanguard, which was announced but isn't actually in the game yet. Their plan is to add it late February or early March. We don't actually know any details about the implementation except that it won't be used in the macOS version.

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    [–] Wodge 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Destiny 2 still won't work, and Simracing is still a no go.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

    The simracing part is a real bummer. That's the only reason I'm still on Win.

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    [–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    the one i am the most sad about is magicka 1 - great game but getting it to run on linux is (as far as i've found so far) pretty much impossible.

    Won't claim that it runs all that great on windows either though - getting through a chapter without crashing is rarer than i'd like it to be...

    [–] achilleas90 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    I recently heard about this. I used to play it. I searched on the steam discussion page and there is a fan patch that fixes all the crashes. It is on github. I found it for you. Try this. https://github.com/pj1234678/MagickaFix

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    [–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

    There are a couple, but I'm spoiled for choice with great games so the convenience of being able to run something on my Steam Deck means that the few that don't run just drop to the bottom of the backlog. Proton is really a brilliant feat of engineering.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Genshin Impact, anticheat thibjs you're cheating, blocked until fixed. Happens every update.

    [–] victorz 2 points 9 months ago
    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

    Genshin works by now lol

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

    I’ve run into many, the latest being Rising Storm 2. Its development has been suspended and the EAC is a version that doesn’t work with Linux, so you can’t play on any servers except the ones that allow hackers. There’s also the issues with performance in Squad on Linux. Starship Troopers: Extermination also runs better on Windows. That’s just the ones I’ve had an issue with in the past month.

    That being said, I’m still not willing to go back to Windows, even to play these games.

    [–] fox2263 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    As a novice, how does one use proton, and can I install StarCraft 2

    [–] victorz 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

    You install it from within Steam, ~~or using flatpak if you're installing Steam via flatpak~~ [Proton on flatpak has reached EOL, try installing via Steam instead]. Then in settings you set it so every game uses the Proton compatibility layer, or whatever it's called. You don't have to do it per game, it's a global setting (as well as a setting for each game if you prefer).

    I can't answer for a specific game though, you'd have to simply try it out or check a database which has info on games that can run using Proton. I don't know the site from memory.

    [–] fox2263 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

    Thanks for the info!

    On Eindows, StarCraft 2 comes from the Blizzard battle.net launcher.

    I’m curious to know if I get a steam deck if I can play non steam games. I don’t really want to install windows on it.

    [–] victorz 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Let's hope someone who knows about Steam Deck can answer that for you. Otherwise I'd try to find a community dedicated to Steam Deck. 👍

    [–] fox2263 2 points 9 months ago

    Ha yeah I’ll investigate. I believe it has a desktop you can get to with browser etc, and it’s based on Arch. So perhaps it’s possible somehow.

    Thanks anyway

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Haven't run into a game yet that doesn't run on Windows.

    Without the need to fiddle with any settings. It is all just click and play.

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    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Maybe i bricked something in my machine somewhere when messing with drivers for machine learning cuda support. But I often have games that are 'supported' through proton but fail to launch or even crash my PC. Metro exodus & deep rock to name a few. Other games do run great. But still things like steam big picture being laggy is annoying.

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    yeh that'll probably be it tbf... the cuda drivers are specifically for scientific computing and are pretty rubbish for anything else unfortunately... even amd ones are like that :(

    however a way i found around it is to just push my gpu compute envs to docker and voila (also avoids the pain of installing the drivers cos nvidia actually provides a cuda docker image) :D

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