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Realistically, how can Palestine gain it's freedom? (suppo.fi)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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We know what happens with peaceful protests, elections, and foreign interference (and more foreign interference), so how can Palestine gain it's freedom? Any positive ideas are welcome, because this situation is already a humanitarian crisis and is looking bleaker by the day.

Historical references are also valuable in this discussion, like slave revolts or the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, although hopefully in the case of Palestine a peaceful and successful outcome can be achieved, as opposed to some of the historical events above.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How much land do you think Ukraine should cede for peace? How much control should Russia have in Ukraine's government in exchange for ending the occupation?

These are honest questions, I would like to know what you and others think.

Also, are you aware of Palestine's proposal to respect the 1967 borders, which Israel rejected?

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I totally agree with you on Ukraine.

I think the main success of the current narrative on Palestine is disguising Israeli expansion as Israeli self-defense. Here's a map of the UN partition plan for Palestine and you can check today's borders to see how much land Palestine has ceded to Israel, unwillingly of course. Israel was created as a result of the Palestine Civil War and have been expanding ever since. That was the plan the whole time, as it says in the above linked page:

Zionist leaders viewed the acceptance of the plan as a tactical step and a stepping stone to future territorial expansion over all of Palestine.

I don't see how Palestine is any different from Ukraine in terms of needing to cede land to the invader in exchange for peace. What do you think? I'm sure there's a lot I'm not aware of.

About the negotiations and truce offered to Israel:

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna24235665

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/hamas-new-charter-palestine-israel-1967-borders

Oh and one more thing, you said

For a war Russia started? With no justification?

but there was justification, I believe it was NATO encroachment or something about Nazis in Ukraine. I'm not saying it was good justification but I would like to point out that there was justification (just like Colin Powell in front of congress with a vial of white powder that was something something WMDs in Iraq) and I'm sure someone, somewhere was saying "doesn't Russia have the right to self defense?". If I understand correctly, the justification for Israel invading Palestine in the first place was "we are God's chosen people and we want this land" which is an extremely flimsy justification but that might just be my personal opinion because I'm not religious.