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Does someone keep track of all the Palestinian terrorism and attacks on Israel? Yes, someone does! (www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org)

submitted 10 months ago by rivermonster to c/politicalexiles

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Because the alt-left MHGA recruits would disregard or ban this list on any of their echo chambers, I'll post it here for the intellectually curious. It is a biased source, but filled with starting points if you want to investigate, and filled with FACTS. You can research individual attacks accounted for here, which is a better list than can be found in most places, with more initial details for your research.

It's a rough resource for people peddling a false narrative of innocent, defenseless, oppressed Palestinians. But sometimes facts ARE rough.

THIS DOES NOT EXCUSE ISRAEL'S WAR CRIMES, and doesn't mean there's not a HUGE list of those either. The point is, those you will always find celebrated in the MHGA echo chambers, whereas this would get instantly removed by the Hamas in training.

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[–] Altofaltception 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Let's also record the terrorism of Israelis (not even counting the war crimes being committed by the Israeli forces).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre is one example. There are many more. Many recent ones including the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre

Barbarians.

[–] rivermonster -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Note your dehumanizing language is exactly how terrorists work and indoctrinate. So thanks for making my point there.

But as far as the fact, I totally agree. Deir Yassin, even though disputed, clearly was some sort of awful crime (likely a crime against humanity). I’m familiar with the Nakba. The two crimes are but two of many committed by Israel. There are no innocents here, unlike the MHGA crowd tries to pretend. The Palestinians have never supported Hamas more than when they’re commiting terrorism and killing Jews and attacking Israel. And they were founded on killing JEWS and gennocide—their founding document, it’s so inconvienent to your buddies!

What seperates me from MHGA terrorists is I will call out all the war crimes, and not try to deny or justify them. Whereas you will ignore and not acknowledge them. Dehumanize the Jews because you’re an antisemite, and attempt to pretend the violence was one sided.

I even agree that the collective punishment by the war criminal Bibi and others in Likud are just that, war crimes. But not post Oct 7th, Israel has a right to defend itself even if the Hamas and Hamas adjacent want to pretend otherwise. Bad sympathizer, no more kool-aid for you!

[–] Altofaltception 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Note your dehumanizing language is exactly how terrorists work and indoctrinate

https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/netanyahu-calls-civilized-world-to-arms-against-forces-of-barbarism/

Indeed.

[–] rivermonster 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Not a Bibi or Likud supporter. He and multiple members of Likud are war criminals many, many times over. More than anything for the collective punishment of Gaza PRE-Oct 7th. Yes, even though, pre-Oct Hamas was regularly targeting civilians and committing the war crimes that got them elected and made them so popular in Gaza.

But post, you can't leave their infrastructure and ability to project power in place anymore or ever to let it happen again.

You can find someone else to defend his disgusting language, I won't. Dehumanizing a country's enemy may be a time honored tactic committed by virtually every country on the planet but it's never okay.

[–] Altofaltception 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The argument that Israel makes is that the Gazans should stand up to Hamas. So maybe Israel can lead by example and stand up to Bibi.

[–] rivermonster 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

They have, but Hamas seeks to keep him in power because he makes them more popular than ever. You know that Hamas PUT him in power, right? Perez was vowing to continue the Oslo process with Arafat. Israel had majority support for the two-state solution and Perez was clearly winning. That's why Hamas executed a series of suicide bombs, bus bombing, killing as many civilians as they could (and always have). The campaign was successful enough that Bibi squeaked by with a LESS than 1% victory over Perez.

This stuff isn't a secret. If you wanted to get out of your Hamas supporter bubble then you could find this information yourself.

Hamas and Bibi are partners, they work together to keep the conflict going and awful.

If you don't like to read, Frontline has an excellent piece on the conflict from the Oslo process and onwards:

https://youtu.be/jt3PpqaLfxo?si=luwckLcTtlxFIWCo

EDIT: You can even just look at old news reports

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9605/31/netanyahu.wins/

Peres was initially buoyed by sympathy for former Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who was assassinated in November by a right-wing Jew opposed to peace with Palestinians.

But that advantage was all but wiped out by a deadly spate of Islamic suicide bombings in Israel that caused many Israelis to re-evaluate the peace process.

Those bombings were intentionally designed by Hamas to get Bibi elected. When Palestinians die, Hamas gains supporters, followers, and power. Just look at Lemmy with all its recruits!

[–] Altofaltception -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre

This was the direct cause of the retaliatory bombings by Hamas.

[–] rivermonster 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Start with common ground: FUCK that radical Jewish terrorist. The whole Kach movement are radical right-wing terrorists--they should be eliminated by any means necessary. I shed no tears for eliminating terrorists (regardless of their religon or country of residence). I think we can agree on that, right? I sure hope we do.

Goldstein was widely denounced in Israel and by communities in the Jewish diaspora,[6] with many attributing his act to insanity.[7] Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin condemned the attack, describing Goldstein as a "degenerate murderer" and "a shame on Zionism and an embarrassment to Judaism".[8][9][10]

If only the Palestinian response was the same to Hamas terror attacks, right?

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/

https://ground.news/article/telegram-group-with-3-000-unrwa-teachers-praises-october-7-attacks?utm_source=headline-link&utm_medium=share

Almost three in four Palestinians believe the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on Israel was correct, and the ensuing Gaza war has lifted support for the Islamist group both there and in the West Bank, a survey from a respected Palestinian polling institute found. The Palestinian Center for Policy Survey and Research (PCPSR) findings were published as international alarm grows over the spiralling Palestinian civilian toll in the Israeli counter-offensive against Hamas, now in its third month. Seventy-two percent of respondents said they believed the Hamas decision to launch the cross-border rampage in southern Israel was "correct" given its outcome so far, while 22% said it was "incorrect". The remainder were undecided or gave no answer.

And the direct cause of all Hamas bombings is their stated founding principal of genocide of Isreal and Jews. That part isn't hard, period. I'm not sure what the point of picking out one incident in the cycle is, unless you're just trying to say they had no agenda to get Bibi elected. In which case we'd very much disagree, and we can debate that further. I just want to clarify.

This Atlantic critique is worth a read:

https://archive.ph/r0fPC