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The first hearing in a landmark lawsuit against Israel enters its second day on Friday at the Hague-based International Court of Justice (ICJ).

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[–] Ross_audio 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Israel's "right to return" meant a large influx of right wing capitalists from behind the iron curtain. As soon as it was possible in the early 1990s.

Israel's politics after that point changed. Those people were political refugees or economic migrants and left places crippled by Soviet rule.

But they aren't the victims of a holocaust, everyone behind the iron curtain was a victim of what they faced. They took a way out.

The problem is they are in general radicalised by the "left wing" Soviets into being extremely individualistic and right wing politically. Meanwhile they still carry the strongman style authoritarian belief unchanged.

It's about 15% of Israel's population but that migration politically changed how they treated Palestine. They've swung the country to the right and to authoritarianism.

The actual victims of Holocaust are angry at what Israel has become.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Israel’s politics after that point changed. Those people were political refugees or economic migrants and left places crippled by Soviet rule.

Are you sure? The PM at that point was "break their bones" Rabin. There was literally never a moment when Israel wasn't an Apartheid state built on Lebensraum.

[–] Ross_audio 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Neither Yasser Arafat, nor Yitzhak Rabin were good people.

But the time following the Oslo accords represents the closest the Palestinians have had to any normalcy in their every day lives.

Both sides calling for an end to violence, some Israeli settlements recognised by Israel as illegal.

Netanyahu undid that step by reversing the decision on settlements, leading in no small part to Hamas breaking the peace and winning popularity by doing so.

Eventually winning elections over the PLO and then Netanyahu ceasing elections in Palestine.

Netanyahu and Hamas are two sides of the same coin, they support each other. But Israel is the only country with a democratic way to remove one of them.

If you look at the Northern Irish peace process you see problems on both sides but steps taken towards peace by both.

Rabin and Arafat took steps towards peace together and while praising either of them as a whole would be wrong due to their pasts, those steps are worthy of recognition.

Northern Ireland was a religious war too, caused by colonial intrusion and partition. That's often forgotten underneath the nationalism of the UK and Ireland. The dynamics are not dissimilar.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

But the time following the Oslo accords represents the closest the Palestinians have had to any normalcy in their every day lives.

Yeah. It's actually surprising Rabin out of all people was the paragon of peace in Israel, but I'm not denying it; I just wanted to say that Israel has always elected people like Netanyahu, even before the 90s. I'm not very informed on Israeli political history, but the Nakba happened in 1949 and has continued ever since. It's possible that it became worse after the 90s because it's hard to reach Netanyahu's level, but Israel's political climate has always favored "Let's build Lebensraum on Palestinian land" candidates.