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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/7477620

Transitive defederation -- defederating from instances that federate with Threads as well as defederating from Threads -- isn't likely to be an all-or-nothing thing in the free fediverses. Tradeoffs are different for different people and instances. This is one of the strengths of the fediverse, so however much transitive defederation there winds up being, I see it as overall as a positive thing -- although also messy and complicated.

The recommendation here is for instances to consider #TransitiveDefederation: discuss, and decide what to do. I've also got some thoughts on how to have the discussion -- and the strategic aspects.

(Part 7 of Strategies for the free fediverses )

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, strong arming instances to do something or another based on a personal preference I thought was meta's job, not the fediverses.

The entire point is that each instance should decide for themselves. If they want to defederate with me because I haven't made up my mind yet, then so long I guess, to me that says more about them then it does Meta.

[–] balancedchaos 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

As long as Meta can't infect the rest of the fediverse, or track or monetize it...fine. I just never, ever want Meta shit on my timeline.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

or track or monetize it

Meta doesn't need federation to track or monetize anything.

I just never, ever want Meta shit on my timeline.

You can personally block them. You don't have to tell your admin to defederate the entire instance or defederate from other instances who choose not to.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

How would Meta “infect” anything? Do you really think Meta is producing self-replicating things that jump from person to person?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What sort of "Meta shit" would you possibly expect to appear on your timeline?

[–] balancedchaos -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sort by "all," and the popular instances show up.

I wouldn't like to see FB and Threads dominate that with the bleating of the sheep they've cultivated.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Okay, but what sort of material would you expect to actually see on your timeline in this scenario?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They can’t answer this. All they do is downvote you. It means you found the end of their philosophy.

For some people, their philosophy ends where a question about specifics begins.

[–] balancedchaos 0 points 7 months ago

Wow. Really reaching there, huh?

What Meta shit wouldn't I like to see? A general watering down of the comment quality. Trolling. Nonsense. What has happened to every somewhat technical technology the second the normies cry "gatekeeping" and force their way in with a dumb fucking look on their face and without an original idea in their heads.

That Meta shit is what I'd like to avoid. Just because one doesn't have opportunity to respond doesn't mean there isn't a response.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

””””influencers””””

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure they're on TikTok, and not Threads.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So don't subscribe to Meta-hosted communities?

Lots of Fediverse instances let you block whole instances, too, so you could personally block them. Problem solved.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've learned that there's a huge number of people on lemmy who prefer government regulation to self control. I had an argument with a guy the other day who wants $12 lattes banned instead of simply not buying them. Apparently making something available is the same as putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

does self control prevent triangle shirtwaist fire

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No, that is an example of an appropriate problem to solve with regulation. "If something I exists I must buy it and that is the vendor's fault" is not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

if regular latte is 12 dollars is economy problem

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

McDonald's has a latte for $1 and Dunkin donuts has one for $2.65. It's not an economy problem. It's probably a pretty good latte. I dunno, never tried it, $12 is too much for sugar coffee.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

is problem when mcdonalds latte costs 12 dollars

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

That would be some pretty intense inflation yeah

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

because refusing to talk to instance is strong arming