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"Did you realize that we live in a reality where SciHub is illegal, and OpenAI is not?" (fosstodon.org)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/technology

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[–] givesomefucks 1 points 10 months ago (12 children)

That's insane logic...

Like you're essentially saying I can copy/paste any article without a paywall to my own blog and sell adspace on it...

And your still saying OpenAI is trying to make AI companies pay?

Like, do you think AI runs off free cloud services? The hardware is insanely expensive.

And OpenAI is trying to argue the opposite, that AI companies shouldn't have to pay to use copyrighted works.

You have zero idea what is going on, but you are really confident you do

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (11 children)

I clarified the comment above which was misunderstood, whether it makes a moral/sane argument is subjective and i am not covering that.

I am not sure why you think there is a claim that openAI is trying to make companies pay, on the contrary the comment i was clarifying (so not my opinion/words) states that openAI is making an argument that anyone should be able to use copyrighted materials for free to train AI.

The costs of running an online service like chatgpt is wildly besides the argument presented. You can run your own open source large language models at home about as well as you can run Bethesda's Starfield on a same spec'd PC

Those Open source large language models are trained on the same collections of data including copyrighted data.

The logic being used here is:

If It becomes globally forbidden to train AI with copyrighted materials or there is a large price or fine in order to use them for training then the Non-Corporate, Free, Open Source Side of AI will perish or have to go underground while to the For-Profit mega corporations will continue exploit and train ai as usual because they can pay to settle in court.

The Ethical dilemma as i understand it is:

Allowing Ai to train for free is a direct threat towards creatives and a win for BigProfit Enthertainment, not allowing it to train to free is treat to public democratic AI and a win for BigTech merging with BigCrime

[–] givesomefucks -5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

You can run your own open source large language models at home about as well as you can run Bethesda’s Starfield on a same spec’d PC

...

Yes, you can download an executable of a chatbot lol.

That's different than running something remotely like even OpenAI.

The more it has to reference, the more the system scales up. Not just storage, but everything else.

Like, in your example of video games it would be more like stripping down a PS5 game of all the assets, then playing it on a NES at 1 frame per five minutes.

You're not only wildly overestimating chatbots ability, you're doing that while drastically underestimating the resources needed.

Edit:

I think you literally don't know what people are talking about..

Do you think people are talking about AI image generators?

No one else is...

[–] Auzymundius 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think you're confusing training it with running it. After it's trained, you can run it on much weaker hardware.