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In 1930s germany most people would vote for the facists, people did not turn to facism because they were born evil. That is to say, if you were german and lived through the effects of the end of ww1, you would be facist too
This is a common misconception. Even at the height of their power, the Nazis got only 43% of the votes. They were able to win elections because the other parties were unable to come together and run a joint candidate list. If the Social Democrats and Communists had formed a coalition, they might have won instead.
The NSDAP got 43,9% but since another party, the DNVP which was another right wing party they formed a coalition with, got 8% they had majority. So most people who voted did vote for the fascists.
Fair point, the DNVP was a right-wing party, but I wouldn't call them fascist. They were dissolved after Hitler won absolute power (although not imprisoned or killed), and some even worked with the German Resistance.
The Italian Liberals of the 20s adopted a "wait and see" approach, leaving the outnumbered socialists, anarchists and communists to fight both the fascists and the loyalists alone. Then when it was clear that the fascists were winning, the Liberals joined them.
I suspect that the 30s Social Democrats of Germany were similarly irresolute (though didn't join before they were forced to) when dealing with the Nazi threat. Centrists tend to be, whether center-right like the Italian Liberals or center-left like the German Social Democrats.
The social democrats started the iron front, they fought the SA in the streets, they didn't join them. Their party was banned and members where thrown in jail once the Nazis won.
I sit corrected, then. Should have known better than to think Social Democrats as useless as liberals in fighting fascists tbh, given what we're seeing today..
I've gotten fucked at every step of my life by capitalists and other greedy fuckheads, and it hasn't made me fascist and I didn't and never will vote for Trump.
Some people are just pathetic and want someone else to solve their problems. Some people are just stupid and cannot see how their problems will never be solved by a greedy asshole getting more power.
Some people are just terrible and will look down on others for merely existing. That doesn't make them evil. It makes them FUNCTIONALLY evil. A hand does not need to know why in order to strangle someone.
If you went through what they have, you would vote for trump. Their environment made them who they are.
I literally HAVE gone through what they have. I've grown up and lived in red states almost my entire life, but thank you for assuming my experience.
Again, stop infantalizing them. They are grown-ass adults PRETENDING to be victims of things that aren't even victimizing them. They are pathetic losers taking the bait.
If you're a fish, taking the bait means you die. If you're a fascist, taking the bait means the "other" dies. They are not worth the pity you are giving them.
So what's the excuse for the people who had what is probably the cushiest life in all of human history?
1930s germany was not cushy
His point is that even if the Germans of 8-9 decades ago were stuck in a bad position such that fascism was their best choice, the people who are leaning into fascist ideals today don't have that same excuse.
Its not an excuse, but you also cant say that people voting right nowadays were born evil either. Its for a reason.
So what you're saying is - it's their choice. That seems worse, no?
Its not their choice. They had it worse than the 1930s germans did
You can choose how you respond to a situation. It is ABSOLUTELY their fault. It will never not be their fault (those who supported, not merely lived through it).
Stop infantalizing people. Are humans not special in conservatives' belief? Are we not better than dumb animals? Then why are you using the excuse that they were a cornered beast?
Fucking pathetic.
People are a result of their environment. Nothing more.
So you're nothing but a dumb animal? No ambition or desire or ability to plan past the next meal?
What a pathetic existence.
We can conclude your environment has no point, only semantic debate.
Alter, willst du mich verarschen? Das kannst du nicht ernsthaft glauben? The fucking Boomers had it worse than the Germans in 1930?
The person in the photo is too old to be a boomer, and yes, the boomer had it much, much harder