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"We think that markets are by far the best way of organising most human affairs that involve scarce resources, because they align people’s incentives in ways that communicate where resources can be be used most efficiently, and give people reasons to come up with new ways of using existing resources."
If there exists another system that can do this more efficiently, it hasn't been discovered yet.
This is such a bullshit take. Look at the current system where we use precious resources to build dumb IoT devices. This is not efficient at all.
Tell me how shipping fruits from China to North America is more efficient than growing food locally and buying locally.
The only thing capitalism is efficient at is making more capital when you already have capital.
Nothing more. This is a scam that people gobble up.
"Tell me how shipping fruits from China to North America is more efficient than growing food locally and buying locally."
I like how this sentence shows you fundamentally don't understand how efficient shipping is. I'm not sure where you live, but where I live is some of the most economically productive land in the entire world. Wasting it to build a few pounds of a single fruit which can be grown somewhere else would be wildly inefficient.
"Look at the current system where we use precious resources to build dumb IoT devices"
Ah yes, a seller providing something people want. Classic case of inefficiency /eyeroll
Tell me how taking a fleet of truck, a shipping container, then another fleet of trucks is more efficient than a farmer's market or a vertical farm right next to the market resources wise?
A seller providing an electronic device that cannot be repaired, rendering it an e-waste is an efficient use of resources?
Stop licking the capitalism boot, it is far from an efficient way to use the resources, unless that resource is capital.
That's the cool thing, we live in a system where if vertical farming is more efficient, then it wins. We want a system like that.
That's the cool thing, we don't. As I said many times, the only efficiency in capitalism is to make more capital. Resources are only being used to generate more capital, they aren't used efficiently.
So again, tell me how shipping food across oceans is more efficient than growing food locally.
My guess is that you will offer another platitude to bootlick capitalism as this beacon of efficiency. It is not.
If vertical farming was more efficient then it would be cheaper.
Heres to hoping it is cheaper. Cheaper food is always a good thing.
I'd doubt it is cheaper where I live. Land, labor, electricity and water are all expensive, and we have high taxes for the services provided to us. Where I live is extremely economically productive. I'd doubt growing a few pounds of fruits could compete with producing high value services.
Other places are so efficient at growing fruit, free sunlight, free rainfall, land is plentiful and cheap, labor is cheap, and shipping is so efficient that it's better to just ship to us.
This is just saying that capitalism is the best because it behaves like capitalism.
Not really. Markets are great at rewarding clever improvements. Other systems are not great at that.
Can you quantify that statement in any way?
Spoiler: he can't
"they align people’s incentives in ways that communicate where resources can be be used most efficiently, and give people reasons to come up with new ways of using existing resources."