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[–] okamiueru 6 points 11 months ago (15 children)

So... You didn't understand the point that was made. Aight

[–] SCB -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)

I definitely understood, yes. Hamas is not a "resistance org", and they don't have a "few extremists". Every member of Hamas is an extremist who is willing to torture and murder Palestinians who challenge them.

https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-tortured-me-dissent-heres-what-they-really-think-palestinians-opinion-1857169

That is not a resistance group. They are all extremists, by definition, because Hamas is a Jihadist Islamist group, even if you take Israel completely off the table.

In their own words:

“Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes,” Hamas said in its first statement in the late 1980s.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas

Support for the Palestinian people neither requires, nor implies, support for Hamas, and support for Hamas is, definitionally, not support for the Palestinian people.

[–] Maggoty 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Just out of curiosity what did they say in 2005? or 2018? Or did you want to perpetuate the idea that once someone is radicalized there can never be peace? It sure does make the world simpler, but the bloodshed never ends that way. And that's abhorrent in and of itself. Hamas absolutely became more moderate and had Israel assassinate their leadership and blockade Gaza in response. Since then Israel has assassinated several doctors and teachers under your idea that anyone associating with Hamas is a horrible no good person. This along with the blockade has made it impossible for Hamas to govern responsibly, and they are in fact acts of war.

[–] SCB -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I firmly believe everyone even emotionally aligning with Hamas has some very serious issues. I never condoned the killing of any civilian, and never will.

Disgust with Hamas's atrocities does not imply that I support the deaths of civilians in any way.

Hamas has no interest in governing responsibly.

[–] Maggoty 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sure you can believe that because you've spent 3 decades ignoring what they've actually said and instead listened to likuud propaganda.

[–] SCB -1 points 11 months ago

One of us certainly believes propaganda.

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