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Embrace, Extend, Enforce (ƎƎƎ): A practical Strategy against potentially abusive Instances like Meta’s Threads (fungiverse.wordpress.com)
submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/technology
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/12225995

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/12225991

TL;DR: The common view on Meta’s Threads is that it will be either all good or all bad, leading to oversimplified and at the end contra productive propositions like the Fedipact. But in reality, it’s behaviour will most likely change dynamically over time, and therefore, to prevent us getting in a position, in which Threads can actually perform EEE on us, we need to adapt a dynamic strategy as well.

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[–] Nobody 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What is the Fedipact?

[–] abhibeckert 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

A group of people who want to stop private companies from running lemmy/mastodon/etc instances.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not private companies. Abusive megacorporations who absolutely don't have good intentions.

There are plenty of private companies who wouldn't face, well, really any pushback.

Stop strawmanning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Cant activitypub make license such that one need to keep server open to be able to use protocol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Like a GPL for a protocol? You can't really license a protocol. I think that would be patents.

And software patents are a bad idea.

So, in my opinion, no.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

This is digging into pretty legal territory and copyright law is (arguably unnecessarily) complex -- but licenses are things that you use to let people use your patents. I think that's what they were initially and mainly; but then software and the copyleft movements kind of detached the concepts of licenses and patents.

The fediverse protocols could definitely be patented and licensed, but, like you said (or implied, really), that's... sketchy af. Like, anyone we could trust to patent it would probably refuse to do it -- Linux Torvalds would probably curse me out for even suggesting it, and the lecture rms gave me would probably never end.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Ohh so developer cant control who can use protocol?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Nope, nobody wants (or even could) stop corps running instances. Fedipact is a number of instance admins (too few, in my opinion) that prefer to defederate their instances from those run by scummy Facebook and the likes. Some people is on the Fediverse specifically to avoid stuff managed by the Elons and the Zucks.