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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by ichbinjasokreativ to c/sysadmin
 

I opened my laptop for unrelated reasons and was greeted by a slightly bloated battery. Idk if the picture makes it clear, but the individual segments of the battery have slightly raised above the solid structure pieces in between. Laptop is just over a year old. I have already contacted the manufacturer, but with the holidays and everything I'm not sure when I'll get an answer.

Basically, I'm worried about the potential danger. I use my laptop a lot (usually plugged in). Since the battery seems to be screwed in and not glued, I could just take it out, but idk if that would be better than just leaving it in until the manufacturer sends me a new one or has me send it in for battery replacement.

Also, I hope that consumer hardware posts like this are accepted in this community. The rules at least don't state otherwise.

Edit: thank you all for your comments. I brought the bloated battery to a recycling center the day after I made this post. Communication with Medion support eventually led to me talking to a very pleasant service technician on the phone. He sent me a new battery, which I just installed. Everything is working great again.

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[–] Eheran 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean it is not going to help if it is in water? That is literally the most efficient way to cool it and thus prevent a runaway reaction to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Oh, it will help, but only for a very short amount of time. Those metals will get pretty hot, the expanding steam will make the water splash out of the bucket and the rest of it will evaporate quickly. The fire will only stop, if the battery reaches a temperature of about 70°C (158°F). For that you need a lot of cooling material.

Yesterday in the news was a fire of a Tesla car battery, needing 36.000 gallons of water to extinguish it. They had to use two hose (the big ones) for over one hour to have it under control.

So if you put a small battery in a pool, then you are safe, I absolutely agree. I only criticize the wrong assumption that a bucket of salt water is the „only safe way“ to handle a battery.

[–] Eheran 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sorry but that is nonsense. There is not even nearly enough energy in a laptop battery to empty a bucket of water. There is not even enough heat to warm the water a significant amount, which is why it can not even get to the point of a runaway reaction to begin with. The internal short just dissipates the energy slowly, without any spectacular event. Regardless of salt content, but salt would indeed help discharge the battery even without a fault.

And of course there are other ways to handle a battery (regardless of it's health) safely.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Look, I‘m no scientist. I just see the effects in real life. Obviously the amount of material affects the energy effectively released. One job of our fire department is to spread awareness and in those messages, you are better on the safe side and be extra cautious. If you are a scientist or know exactly what you are doing, feel free to handle it the way you want to. Based on the message of OP I knew they were inexperienced. That‘s why I would never recommend solutions which are not super clear and super safe. Water and battery can work - but it can also clearly fail if done wrong.

[–] Eheran -2 points 11 months ago

At the scale of a laptop battery, just putting it somewhere without flammables around is sufficient. A bucket of water will absolutely stop anything from happening due to the strong cooling effect. This is not a car battery where water can not actually reach the individual cells. However, I also understand your concerns.

But if I should think of a way for a random person to deal with a dangerous battery in an enclosed space, a bucket of water would be very high on the list. Even if it is already burning.