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[–] cabron_offsets 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Zero chance NATO lets the Black Sea and Bosporus + Dardanelles fall into russia’s sphere.

[–] Buffalox 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think getting out of Mediterranean at Gibraltar is worth more than getting into the black sea. If Turkey wants to play hardball with EU USA and NATO, they will quickly realize how much they are the underdog, and no idiot dictator shouting his stupidities can prevent that.
Turkey is not playing by the rules, but is exploiting a situation, despite the it would benefit Turkey too to have Sweden in NATO.
If Turkey can't respect the mutual interests of an international institution they themselves benefit from, they can go fuck themselves.
Some things can be bought at too high a price.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It’s very different. Turkey completely controls access to the Black Sea, which ties into several MAJOR river networks across Europe. The strait of Gibraltar is much wider, and also not controlled by a single nation, so it’s far less feasible to block, for a lot of reasons.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Black Sea or Baltic Sea.

Get both and you've cut off 2/3 of Russia's major ports. (facing west)