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It's refreshing to see a major news outlet discussing collateral damage and not just resistance. Over the past decade, 99% of the time antibiotic overuse is covered and warned about it's always only in regards to resistance.

It's a good article that also doesn't spread the common misinformation of "just take some probiotics and fermented foods after antibiotics and you're good to go".

Swallowing an antibiotic is like carpet-bombing the trillions of microorganisms that live in the gut, killing not just the bad but the good too, said Dr. Martin Blaser, author of the book “Missing Microbes” and director of the Center for Advanced Biotechnology and Medicine at Rutgers University.

“I think the health profession in general has systematically overestimated the value of antibiotics and underestimated the cost,” Dr. Blaser said.

No shit. And it has spread like a virus to the general populace as well. The majority of people seem mentally addicted to antibiotics and think they're going to die if they don't get an antibiotic for every minor issue.

  • Find out if you really need an antibiotic.
  • Ask for the shortest course.
  • Rethink probiotics.

I appreciate the NYT for finally helping spread this.

Just yesterday people on Lemmy were cheering about AI discovering new antibiotics. When I shared info about the concerns of collateral damage, the responses were more unintelligent and close-minded than on reddit. Extremely depressing.

For more info on this subject there's a wiki and forum at https://humanmicrobiome.info.

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[–] godzillabacter 15 points 11 months ago

Hello all, I'm a pharmacist and 4th year medical student with a passion for antimicrobial stewardship and infectious disease. Just wanted to share my overall thoughts on the article.

The author's point of "finding out if you really need an antibiotic" is honestly one of the central issues in modern antimicrobial resistance coming from two fronts: patients who demand an antimicrobial for a non-indicated reason, and doctors who for various reasons excessively prescribe antibiotics. I could wax on this for hours, but at its core, the single most important thing we can do to decrease antimicrobial resistance is decreasing total antimicrobial exposure. That means fewer prescriptions for shorter courses of narrow-spectrum antibiotics. Unfortunately every bit of this requires more buy-in from patients and more work from clinicians.

To go along with my point above, asking your doctor to make sure you're getting the shortest possible duration is the single best thing you as a patient can do to help with these issues (other than just not demanding antibiotics if your doctor says no, but that's a low bar). The key word here is ask though. There's a huge amount of clinical experience and evidence that is used to determine when it is safe to stop antibiotics. And as much as I believe in patient autonomy and educating my patients, frankly antibiotic selection/course duration is not something the general public is capable of independently making decision on. Ask your doctor, and take what they prescribe for how long they're prescribed for, and if you have issues then call them to discuss it.

With regards to probiotics, it's an interesting topic that we don't have a ton of great data for and physicians are fervently behind or against them in my experience. The fact is we just don't know enough about them, and most aren't regulated well enough to give good information about them. Interestingly, there was a recent study which suggested higher rates of central line infections with the organisms in the probiotics in individuals given probiotics while they had a line in place.

Lastly, I think I have to disagree with Dr. Blaser. Medicine doesn't overvalue antibiotics. We certainly underestimate their risks, but antibiotics are some of the most effective and life-saving medications we as a species have ever developed. Countless lives have been saved solely from their development, and very very few therapies have a NNT as low as appropriate antimicrobial therapy. They truly are astonishingly good medications when they are indicated. The issue is simply prescribing them when they aren't indicated, which is a big part of why we're in the mess we're in, and is in large part driven by underestimating the risks they pose.