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I use "tankie" to refer to the type of people that claim to be Marxist but are actually just anti-West, like the ones that support Russia's love of genocide simply because Russia is opposing the western world. I'd love to have conversations with actual Marxists, I've just become increasingly less sure that they exist.
Honestly a lot of Marxism would absolutely have a lot of criticism of NATO, US, the "west" how they have handled the situation and got us here in the first place. But that doesn't give Russia a pass for invading a sovereign nation.
Under Marxism this is basically a bullshit neoliberal capitalist power structure vs an oligarchic Imperialist POS.
That's because that's just Russian propaganda used to justify doing imperialism and conquering Ukraine.
Is this an attempt to memory-hole something that happened little more than one year ago? Everybody still remembers that this happened, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)
They did in fact attempt to do "shock and awe" - that's what the thunder run on Ukraine's capital city was all about. Just because they failed doesn't mean they didn't attempt it.
Wonderful revisionist history you have there. Russia blindly believed they could roll over Ukraine and seize the country in threeweeks, (Russia's words not mine). They didn't do a "shock and awe" destruction raid at first because they wanted to steal the land in tact and re-add it to the Russian "empire" that Putlin wants to rebuild. Putin knows he doesn't have much time left and he wants to rebuild the glorious USSR before he dies. He has made moves towards that for the last 10 years. So far his only real success is the puppet state of Belarus. If it was really about Nazi's this was the stupidest police action in modern history.
If it were about nazis as you falsely claim, explain Russia invading and stealing Crimea in 2014. I am not denying there is corruption in the that region, there is corruption everywhere, it's to what degree. The west didn't want this war, they DIDN'T START IT. Russia is the one who started this war. Russia is the one who illegally invaded Ukraine, so how is it the west's military industrial complex's desire to make money, that started this war? They called up Putin and said hey, go invade Ukraine so we can blow you up? Yeah, it doesn't work that way.
Read the comment you’re replying to carefully. He’s not referring to Marxists. He’s referring to pro Russian warmongers / anti wests trolls that wrap themselves in Marxism flag.
Lmao which proxy war? It's Russia committing to a full scale invasion of Ukraine and losing. That's like calling WW2 a proxy war because the soviet union received critical amounts of US aid.
Nobody is claiming that the west isn't massively benefitting from Russia lighting itself on fire. That's not a grand conspiracy, that's just Russia being in a war they started themselves that they have no way of exiting.
Why does the US have all the agency in introducing new members to NATO? Every signatory has to agree, and they can't forcefully induce members or force them to stay like the Warsaw Pact could. By this logic then I guess the west could rightfully attack Russia for attempting to expand their sphere of influence?
Ngl you're going to probably isolate yourself from Marxists by using the label "tankie" since they typically see it as a label used by liberals to put down revolutionary leftists. I can't speak for all Marxists/ml's but that's what I've noticed