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[–] cheese_greater 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

~~I still wanna know why Narwhal was able to make it work and Apollo couldn't. Nobody has answered that satisfactorily besides Apollo was the first-born figuratively speaking and Narwhal might have been able to learn from Apollo's missteps~~

Please read further down, I have revised my views and I only leave this up so that evolution of understanding can be followed. I believe in redemption and fixing ones views when incompatible new credible info becomes available or visible

Fuck $paz/$pez, as alway$

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Seems like Narwhal switched to subscriptions only

[–] cheese_greater 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

~~And Apollo/Christian could have swallowed that reality and altered the product so he didn't have to shut it all down wholsesale, no?~~

Not saying I'm not happy with the way things played out (I love Voyager 😇), but I need to understand the bigger picture here and why Narwhal can make it work when Christian portrayed it like it was unthink+doable...

Edit: Christian didn't want to be involved with Reddit and they actually did screw him in a way they had to walk back later, but not before destroying the most problematic competitor for them. This makes much more sense and I have thoroughly revised my views on the matter in partnership with all the kind folks chiming in here

[–] DriftingDeep 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I imagine there were 2 primary reasons, one financial, one personal:

Number of heavy users (including a lot of mods) would’ve forced Christian to implement an open-ended cost model based on individual usage, or raise rates across the board to compensate, making it ultimately cost-prohibitive for the average user, and/or

Not wanting to communicate (by folding) such a change was okay. To move to a blanket cost model is to basically admit that you’re okay with and accept the changes.

Some might say it was pure stubbornness and greed, or conclude his decision was a bad one. That’s its own topic for debate I guess.

[–] cheese_greater 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I honestly don't even care anymore, like I've found a way to a more moderate understanding of everything and I definitely don't want anyone to have to violate their own principles and boundaries just so I can have my shiny little toy I want aha.

As long as I have Voyager now (which is infinitely more valuable since it likely won't be taken away), I'm good and I honestly wish Christian well. I'm just skeptical if I would allow myself to become reliant on any future project of his unless he has built it and communicated that he will not be able to shut it down or take it away

At the end of the day, I come to rely on my apps and tools and become emotionally enmeshed with them and I will not allow them to be taken away anymore or not have a facile contingency plan in place wherever it is necessary or desireable

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