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Please quote my incivility. Please quote a single uncivil thing I said.
Please stay within the topic. Explain how communism isn't intrinsically fascist even though all communist regimes have been fascist.
I see, so not only did you lie when you claimed I was uncivil, you want me to "stay within the topic" which we have not discussed once during our conversation.
And, before you say you didn't lie, please prove it by quoting my incivility.
Derailing from the topic is incivil. I'm not going to quote your post history. Just read through the chain.
In other words, you don't have a valid defense for you claim of incivility, especially since my "derailing" was simply a request for clarification.
Incidentally, you never actually asked me if I was a communist or even defended communism. Don't you think you should have done that earlier?
Let me guess- you know I'm a communist.
Transphobia is transphobia.
No, I remember you from an earlier thread a while back, you were fascist there too.
I you "remember me" being a communist and transphobia is asking for a clarification. I see. Logical.
Clearly I must be a communist because your memory is flawless. Asking me if I'm actually a communist or believe in that ideology would be pointless because I couldn't possibly say I wasn't a communist.
And if I did say I wasn't a communist- well, that's just what a communist would do, isn't it?
Again with the weirdest derail.
What's so hard with fascists to admit they're fascist? Just say you hate minorities and get this over with, fuck that pathetic dodging.
Some communists are fascists. Some live in communes and stay away from society and aren't interested in running countries. It's a broad spectrum.
And although you haven't asked, I'm not a communist nor do I support communist ideology.
Now, please tell me more about my fascist transphobia.
Ok now we're getting there, see it's not that hard to stay on topic.
Oh, it is hard it seems.
Alright sure, you're just a fascist-apologist. What a surprise.
So you're saying people who live in communes and stay away from society and don't bother anyone are fascists?
Please do explain how that is fascism.
Listen to yourself.
That's not what I said. Please do not put words in my mouth. That is very dishonest. Just answer my question. You wanted me to discuss this with you and I'm discussing it with you.
Also, I am tired of your insults, as is another person you insulted and we are both going to flag you for violating community rules from now on. I'm told you're already quite the presence in the modlog. You might consider what you say carefully if you do intend to stay here.
Of course, if you don't, have at it. Keep calling me a transphobe and a fascist without any actual evidence to support either claim.
Uh, quote below
Implies that fascists that live in communes and stay away from society and don’t bother anyone are not fascists,
Good. Go fuck yourself you transphobe. Back to 4chan with you.
Admitting to that but not fascism? Lmao
I thought I left reddit wait what
Very well, I will begin to flag you.
Also, I implied nothing. That is untrue. I asked you a question. A question you won't answer.
Clearly you lied when you said you wanted to discuss whether or not communism was fascism. You don't. Discussions aren't finger-pointing and putting words in people's mouths and they aren't refusing to answer all questions asked. Why did you say you wanted a discussion on a topic you clearly don't want to discuss?
You're the only one derailing the conversation off of it. We all know why, I said the quiet part out loud.
All I want was fascists to admit they are fascists. But that wont happen, at best they'll admit to misusing report functions of the website.
You want me to admit something you yourself said I am not?
Because this is what you said earlier:
Basically you want me to lie. Why do you want me to lie?
Again, dragging the conversation down to semantics, is uncivil conversation a regular thing with you?
Haha, actually I'm not a fascist, just a fascist-apologist :)
That is what you said, not me.
I never claimed to be either.
Great discussion
It is refreshing. Usually I'm called a fascist (and supporter of genocide) because I'm a Jew and therefore inherently support Israel. It usually isn't because I don't support communism but also don't think communes are an example of fascism.
Again with the derail, it really is the only trick you can do.
You know what else is amusing? I'm having a discussion with a communist in this very thread (a civil one with no namecalling) about why communism won't work just based on specialized and trained labor alone. But that's the typical sort of deceit that communists do, I suppose. Talk to people about the failings of communism.
Sigh
Well it's true that I don't have the ability to make the logical deduction that you either believe communes are fascist or you're transphobic.
You could've just kept on topic and we'd arrive at the logical conclusion that all communism is fascist. But for some reason you felt the need to stretch it out like this.
You don't want to be on topic, you want to be agreed with or else. And since I don't agree that all communism is fascist, because I don't believe that communes are fascist or transphobic (especially not this one)
I'm almost certain you won't check that link, or if you do, you'll dismiss it as off-topic. Please prove me wrong.
You wouldn't even know that since you've derailed everything you've touched lmao.
Oh I did. The folks living on the ranch don't even claim to be communist;
"Members of the Tenacious Unicorn Ranch were anarchists, leftists, and antifascists.[2][4] As of March 2020, the ranch had nine residents.[2"
So yeah, again with the derail. You really can't do anything but derail lmao
Wait...
What exactly do you think the 'commun' part of 'communist' means? Communes are the simplest form of communism.
And if you agree with me that they aren't inherently fascist or transphobic, then why am I a fascist and a transphobe but you aren't?
Saakto here is either a troll or deranged, so I wouldn't expect much. Check their post history, it's interesting. They keep accusing people of derailing the conversation when they themselves are the only person doing the derailing. Then they get upset and accuse the other of being a fascist or a transphobe, sometimes both. It's bizarre.
Yeah, it's pretty weird. Although they don't seem to be able to come up with a response to my last message to them. I was looking forward to an explanation of why I'm still a fascist transphobe when we're in agreement. Oh well, I've got to get started with morning stuff anyway.