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You didn't show me where. If it's intrinsic, as you claim, it should be in Das Kaptial since that is a foundational document. So where is it?
Next thing you're gonna say is that soviet union wasn't communist even though they said it was. Fascists are always like this. Just take responsibility for once and admit that millions of minorities have been killed due to communism, and its inherent requirement for a homogeneous, authoritarian society which it always tries to go towards. Just once admit, then you can go back to playing a closet nazi.
Sorry, insulting me won't change what intrinsic means.
Intrinsic.
If it is essential, where is it in Das Kapital?
Also-
Inhrent.
If it is inseparably attached, where is it in Das Kapital?
Or do you not mean 'intrinsic' and 'inherent' when you use those words?
Even better it's in reality.
In reality too. Go check it out sometime and read a historybook.
Do you always go for semantics when you don't know how to intellectually best someone? I mean, there is a reason why communism is strictly for the uneducated and violent.
Instead of showing any sympathy for the countless of victims of communism, you instead purposefully drag the conversation into some weird mud fight on a book written by someone who never touched grass.
It is of course clear why you choose to move the discourse away from the fact that communism in it's core is just transphobia, but again, admit it and I'll play with you.
Once again, insulting me won't change what words mean. I have not insulted you at all. If you can't talk to people in a civil manner, perhaps Reddit would be better suited for you.
I take that as an admission of fascism.
And I'll insult fascists when I see them.
Can you please show 'wanting civil discussion' as part of anyone's definition of fascism?
I can show transphobia as a part of it
Please quote me being transphobic. I would be interested in seeing what I sad that was transphobic. Unless that was a lie, of course. Was it a lie?
The part in which you derailed the civil conversation I was trying to have with you on the core ideology of communism (transphobia) which you turned into a weird semantics mud fight, even though the fact that communism is inherently transphobic was already established.
Typical fascism, trying to dodge responsibility and avoiding saying the quiet parts out loud. Glad I read you hateful fucks like a book.
Ah, now it is a core ideology.
If it is a core ideology, please show where it is in Das Kapital, which lays out the core ideologies of communism.
Again with this lmao, you really can't commit to a civil discussion about reality can you? I'll show you a list where communists gathered their transgendered people.
Please quote my incivility. Please quote a single uncivil thing I said.
Please stay within the topic. Explain how communism isn't intrinsically fascist even though all communist regimes have been fascist.
I see, so not only did you lie when you claimed I was uncivil, you want me to "stay within the topic" which we have not discussed once during our conversation.
And, before you say you didn't lie, please prove it by quoting my incivility.
Derailing from the topic is incivil. I'm not going to quote your post history. Just read through the chain.
In other words, you don't have a valid defense for you claim of incivility, especially since my "derailing" was simply a request for clarification.
Incidentally, you never actually asked me if I was a communist or even defended communism. Don't you think you should have done that earlier?
Let me guess- you know I'm a communist.
Transphobia is transphobia.
No, I remember you from an earlier thread a while back, you were fascist there too.
I you "remember me" being a communist and transphobia is asking for a clarification. I see. Logical.
Clearly I must be a communist because your memory is flawless. Asking me if I'm actually a communist or believe in that ideology would be pointless because I couldn't possibly say I wasn't a communist.
And if I did say I wasn't a communist- well, that's just what a communist would do, isn't it?
Again with the weirdest derail.
What's so hard with fascists to admit they're fascist? Just say you hate minorities and get this over with, fuck that pathetic dodging.
Some communists are fascists. Some live in communes and stay away from society and aren't interested in running countries. It's a broad spectrum.
And although you haven't asked, I'm not a communist nor do I support communist ideology.
Now, please tell me more about my fascist transphobia.
Ok now we're getting there, see it's not that hard to stay on topic.
Oh, it is hard it seems.
Alright sure, you're just a fascist-apologist. What a surprise.
So you're saying people who live in communes and stay away from society and don't bother anyone are fascists?
Please do explain how that is fascism.
Listen to yourself.
That's not what I said. Please do not put words in my mouth. That is very dishonest. Just answer my question. You wanted me to discuss this with you and I'm discussing it with you.
Also, I am tired of your insults, as is another person you insulted and we are both going to flag you for violating community rules from now on. I'm told you're already quite the presence in the modlog. You might consider what you say carefully if you do intend to stay here.
Of course, if you don't, have at it. Keep calling me a transphobe and a fascist without any actual evidence to support either claim.
Uh, quote below
Implies that fascists that live in communes and stay away from society and don’t bother anyone are not fascists,
Good. Go fuck yourself you transphobe. Back to 4chan with you.
Admitting to that but not fascism? Lmao
I thought I left reddit wait what
Very well, I will begin to flag you.
Also, I implied nothing. That is untrue. I asked you a question. A question you won't answer.
Clearly you lied when you said you wanted to discuss whether or not communism was fascism. You don't. Discussions aren't finger-pointing and putting words in people's mouths and they aren't refusing to answer all questions asked. Why did you say you wanted a discussion on a topic you clearly don't want to discuss?
You're the only one derailing the conversation off of it. We all know why, I said the quiet part out loud.
All I want was fascists to admit they are fascists. But that wont happen, at best they'll admit to misusing report functions of the website.
You want me to admit something you yourself said I am not?
Because this is what you said earlier:
Basically you want me to lie. Why do you want me to lie?
Again, dragging the conversation down to semantics, is uncivil conversation a regular thing with you?
Haha, actually I'm not a fascist, just a fascist-apologist :)
That is what you said, not me.
I never claimed to be either.
Great discussion
It is refreshing. Usually I'm called a fascist (and supporter of genocide) because I'm a Jew and therefore inherently support Israel. It usually isn't because I don't support communism but also don't think communes are an example of fascism.
By the way, you insulted me after my first response to you, so I'm not sure when you were trying to have a civil conversation with me.
Umm I'm an antifascist and you're insulting that other commenter and me. That (and apparent capitalism apologia) kinda makes you align with fascists
Again, go fuck yourself
Are you quoting yourself?
No, just you
That's how quotes are used, otherwise it's just a comment you know
It was more of a rhetorical question as you tried to shift your own thoughts to show up as a quote from someone else. And with that rhetorical method I demonstrated that it in fact wasn't about me.
I was literally quoting you. You support transphobic ideologies, you are a transphobe. Simple as.
Very common for fascists to dodge responsibility for their comments though.
Uh-huh. And we've demonstrated that what you're describing is happening in your imagination as I have no comments which would indicate anything like that as my ideology.
'Literally quoting' would mean that the quoted words are something I'd had written somewhere which isn't true.
And again you're attacking an antifascist which is a problematic position for you to take.
Should we assume that your non-truths are deliberate lies and thus the phobic remarks are actually projection?
I do appreciate it if one would like to admit and fix their mistake.
Just to be clear, I am the only one in this thread trying to keep the discussion anchored in reality instead of semantics.
This is like the fifth time fascists have demonstrated this on this comment chain alone. I only implied being a transphobe but in fact I never actually wrote it down :)
Again, I am the only one here even showing sympathy towards the victims of communism.
And somehow you're the only one who can see these things implied somewhere, while others can read the reality of this thread.
Fascists have a tendency to support other fascists.
So go get your support then instead of attacking antifascists alone. I see you've already been banned from communities from racism. Maybe you can find your supporters on the homma forum or tomorrow's 612-attendees
Why would I need support for, I'm intellectually besting everyone here?
Brilliant bit lol