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Car dealers say they can’t sell EVs, tell Biden to slow their rollout (arstechnica.com)

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[–] pandacoder 10 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I'm not buying an EV not because of lack of infrastructure or lack of interest, but because the product sucks.

I'm not buying a gas car either for the same product sucking reason, and an active desire to never purchase a gas car again.

[–] mechoman444 0 points 1 year ago (14 children)

You are very wrong. The product most definitely does not suck.

Petrol cars are unbelievably good right now even from bad manufacturers like Chrysler the reliability is through the roof.

Electric cars have come a long way they still have their hiccups but in general they function perfectly fine now. I most definitely will not recommend getting a Tesla from 2013 but something like a Chevy volt or a Volkswagen or a mustang EV are very very good cars.

[–] pandacoder 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Subscriptions to use any part of my car and even more tracking than my ICE car are part of the product, and that sucks. I beg to differ on me being wrong, on those two counts specifically.

No matter what the stability, reliability, and safety are, the two things I mentioned are each sufficient grounds to not buy pretty much any of the modern cars, EV or ICE.

[–] mechoman444 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a weird outlook you have. I don't even have a way to rebut it. You simultaneously agree and disagree with me. And at the same time still your only qualification that makes a car bad is the software which you personally do not like.

There are a myriad of cars out there that don't have this kind of software built into it. There are even EVs that don't have the software built into it.

I even agree with you I drive a Volkswagen id4 and the software in it is beyond horrific there have been times where I had to sit around poking around menus trying to figure out how to make my car actually run.

However, in my interpretation the benefits significantly outweigh the negatives of owning an electric vehicle not being tethered to gasoline is an extremely freeing experience. It is also significantly cheaper.

I feel like you just made something up so you don't have to like EVs.

[–] pandacoder 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like you just made something up so you don't have to like EVs.

The fact that this is your takeaway from my messages (in addition to your general tone) just shows you are trying to push a self-righteous agenda without properly identifying who are your allies and opponents. I abhor ICEs and would have bought an EV by now if not for the scummy companies producing them, and the fact that I basically do not drive anymore so switching my relatively unused car out for any replacement vehicle does not make sense. I'd sooner just sell the car and wash my hands of them entirely.

What a weird outlook you have.

Not likely subscription services and the car manufacturers tracking me is not "weird" it's well justified. I don't like my insurance company tracking me either which is why I heavily restrict the permissions their app has (and use a second phone for it). ICE and EV manufacturers have immense overlap and I've yet to hear of one that actually respects their customers and doesn't turn their products into drivable spyware.

I don't even have a way to rebut it.

Perhaps you should quit the contrarian behavior since you're not putting in the effort to be one. You've already demonstrated you aren't putting in the effort to read my messages by openly misidentifying me as an EV hater.

[–] mechoman444 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You said that reliability and all that is irrelevant, only the tracking and the software on the vehicles is why you don't like them.

Your original comment said that modern cars suck or a crappy my rebuttle was that they are not they're significantly more reliable than older cars even from crappy manufacturers.

What in your comments above has anything to do with that?

The world changes things become better and things become worse the fact that you don't like it is completely irrelevant back in the 80s you could use a flathead screwdriver to start up a car you can't do that anymore because of modern software and technology.

So circling back around you are wrong, modern cars are better than older ones. Aside from your personal preference of not liking how they make cars today with the technology that's in them do you have anything to substantiate your claim?

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