1097
this post was submitted on 30 Nov 2023
1097 points (96.1% liked)
A Boring Dystopia
9791 readers
984 users here now
Pictures, Videos, Articles showing just how boring it is to live in a dystopic society, or with signs of a dystopic society.
Rules (Subject to Change)
--Be a Decent Human Being
--Posting news articles: include the source name and exact title from article in your post title
--If a picture is just a screenshot of an article, link the article
--If a video's content isn't clear from title, write a short summary so people know what it's about.
--Posts must have something to do with the topic
--Zero tolerance for Racism/Sexism/Ableism/etc.
--No NSFW content
--Abide by the rules of lemmy.world
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
still quite a bit away from "millions" the HIGHEST (by a significant margin) for Iraq is 1.033 million, and that is total excess death, not casualties and for Afghanistan it barely reaches 200,000 in 20 years
so no, Hundreds of thousands is correct, Millions is Soviet territory
More than a million is "millions". And if we're talking about total historical deaths attributable then the US has the USSR beat by a lot. Neoliberal capitalism is just as bloodthirsty as state capitalism, except the US had more time and power to kill people.
I don't think you anyone can beat Russia's and all of it's forms death toll in 20th+21th century.
They said Soviet so you're moving the goalposts, and I think if you really believe that Russia is worse then you need to educate yourself on US foreign interventions.
Russia is bad, but they haven't had nearly the global influence the US has had over the last century. The US is singularly militarily dominant. Any claims about other countries being bigger or badder is just fearmongering propaganda.
If we expand the scope to proxy wars then the US would have to be responsible for more deaths than any other single entity in human history by a large margin, many of which come from outright genocides. They are a global superpower. They are an amoral powerbroking machine.
They said Soviet territory . It is vague form of point to "Russia & company" among else witch BTW even during Soviet era had causee millions of people to die. Difference is though your comrades kept it secret while US made a lots of their shit public over the years. You have no idea what they did in under the wing of east block if you talk like that.
First of all, don't call them my comrades. The people I'd consider comrades in that area, the anarchists, were betrayed and slaughtered by the USSR. A tankie wouldn't call the USSR "state capitalist" as I did.
Secondly, if you're referring to the victims as counted by the black book of communism, you know they counted hypothetical babies that might have otherwise been born in their victim tally? And they also counted Nazi combatants? It's an absolutely shameful work of revisionism, and the only reason it exists is to put smoke up as cover for the crimes of western capitalist imperialism.
And thirdly, are you saying that by "Soviet territory" they were referring to all former eastern bloc countries in both their past and present forms? What an absolutely wild thing to say. That is bizarre. I have never heard that construction before and it's clearly you reaching for something you can say to not be just simply wrong.
They were saying "in the realm of death count of the Soviets", which is also bizarre but at least it's a reasonable grammatical construction.
Nah I'm referinng to Russia & spol government mentality under any regime that works as follows: take millions of folks and grind them into meat if necessary for regime to stay at power, tell surviving women to bird 8 kids to be good people. Act as nothing happened and if someone asks question make them disappeared and blame west.