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I've been waiting for this desktop to release patiently. I can't wait to try it. I have one question that I never got to ask anywhere, how is this going to work with the whole Qt/GTK apps? Are things going to look weird like they do on (mostly) Gnome and (sometimes) KDE Plasma?
We will attempt to automatically generate themes for common toolkits, but the desktop environment has no control over how the toolkit chooses to render itself or operate.
Fair enough. As long as the app goes with the dark/light theme and doesn't look super tiny on hidpi screens, I personally wouldn't really lose sleep over it. Will there be an HIG specific to cosmic for devs who want to make apps for it?
Yes, the libcosmic toolkit automates a decent chunk of the process to building an application with our interface guidelines. If building an application with the
cosmic::Applicationtrait. Which includes the header bar, navigation bar, and context drawer.Thank you for answering all these questions. Last question, do you know when an alpha or a beta will be released? I want to test and help out with reporting. I have a spare laptop that I can use to test.
Please don't automatically generate themes for third-party apps. If an application brings its own styles and icons, it results a weird mix of multiple styles.
If a user wants to style it themselves, they should be able to — at their own risk. But shipping (inherently broken) styles with a distro/DE misrepresents the appplication and creates unnecessary issues for the upstream developers.
https://stopthemingmy.app/
You're so silly. If the developer doesn't want a themeable application, then either don't use a themeable toolkit, or hardcode the theme so that the system theme is ignored.
I want that individual users are able to theme my app. I don't want that distributors and DEs automatically theme my app and expect that it still works the same.
It's a bit like websites: I'm absolutely fine if a user wants to inject some CSS in my website. On the other hand, if a browser manufacturer decided to inject CSS into all websites to customize their look, it would be a nightmare for web developers.
You don't seem to realize that this is equivalent to that. The user already made the choice to install a desktop environment which generates themes. So if you make the choice to build an application with GTK, and you want users to be able to use system themes with it, then consider it done.
To argue otherwise would make you a hypocrite. It would mean that you don't actually want users to use themes, so you take issue with desktop environments which make it easy to do so by default. So if you want people to be able to use themes, then you shouldn't complain when people choose to use a desktop which enables that use case.
Tell that to my eyes when your application only has a blinding light mode. Theming is an accessibility feature and should be prioritized as such.
It's 2023. Every application should have a theme engine built-in. If not, that's on the dev. Let's not make a movement out of a lack of interest in providing support for accessibility.
Any recent application should respect the global
org.freedesktop.appearance color-schemesetting. If it doesn't, you should blame the app developer.